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Ramrob 02-24-2012 04:38 PM

Locked seat belts?
 
Would there be any reason for the seat belts to be locked? both front belts will not budge.

GTyankee 02-24-2012 05:22 PM

Do you mean that the belt retractor or tensioner will not retract or release so that you can buckle them ?

or you can't get the buckle to release ?

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I believe that there is also a INERTIA SOLENOID on some vehicles, if for some reason it loses power, the seat belts will not retract or release.
this mechanism is what locks the belt in place when you make a sudden stop, so that you can't slam into the steering wheel, these solenoids lock up sometimes when they are NOT suppose to & they don't allow you to move

GTyankee 02-24-2012 06:00 PM

This may or may not apply to your seat belt issue

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Yes the seat belt timer module stays active for 30 minutes after the ignition if turned off. Unpulg the module under the drivers seat and see if your draw goes away...

Some info below...

SEATBELT CONTROL TIMER MODULE
DESCRIPTION
The Seatbelt Control Timer Module (SCTM) is secured to a bracket underneath the front edge of the front seat center cushion. The SCTM mounting bracket also serves as the support for the slide-out rear seat cup holder unit. The SCTM contains an electromechanical Gravity (G)-sensor and an electronic timer circuit. The SCTM receives hard wired external inputs from the ignition switch and both door jamb switches. The SCTM monitors the external inputs, as well as the inputs from its internal timer and G-sensor. In response to those inputs, the SCTM controls hard wired battery voltage outputs to both electric front seat belt retractor latch solenoids. The SCTM also sends diagnostic outputs to the Airbag Control Module (ACM) over a hard wired fault circuit.
For diagnosis of the CCD data bus, the ACM or the fault circuit input to the ACM from the SCTM, the use of a DRB scan tool and the proper Diagnostic Procedures manual are recommended. The SCTM cannot be adjusted or repaired and, if faulty or damaged, must be replaced.
OPERATION
The SCTM provides battery current to energize the electric seat belt retractor latch solenoids whenever the ignition switch is in the On or Accessory positions, unless the G-sensor input indicates a vehicle condition that requires the seat belt retractor to be latched. When the seat belt retractor latch solenoids are energized the retractor spools are unlatched, and the seat belt webbing can be extracted from the retractor. When the solenoids are de-energized the retractor spools latch, preventing the seat belt webbing from being extracted further from the retractor. This logic ensures that the seat belts will be latched and remain latched if battery power is lost during a vehicle collision.
The electromechanical G-sensor within the SCTM monitors the rate of vehicle acceleration and deceleration in any horizontal direction. The G-sensor also responds to the horizontal attitude of the vehicle. If the G-sensor monitors a gravity force of greater than about 0.7G in any horizontal direction, or that the vehicle is tilted in any direction at an angle of greater than about 45 degrees, the SCTM will sense the input from the G-sensor and de-energize the seat belt retractor latch solenoids.
The SCTM electronic timer circuit provides the vehicle occupants with the ability to extract the seat belt webbing from the retractor spool for a time period of about 30 minutes after the ignition switch is turned to the Off position, unless the G-sensor input indicates a vehicle condition that requires the seat belt retractor to be latched. The electronic timer circuit also monitors the state of the door jamb switches, and unlatches the seat belt retractors after either door jamb switch cycles from open to closed or from closed to open. Each time the SCTM receives an input indicating a change in the state of a monitored switch has occurred, the 30 minute timer starts again. The timer de-energizes the retractor latch solenoids after about 30 minutes to prevent the battery from being drained while the vehicle is not being driven.
The hard wired SCTM fault circuit output to the ACM is used to indicate whether a fault condition is present in the electronic seat belt control system. The ACM continuously monitors the SCTM fault circuit and sends the proper messages to the instrument cluster over the Chrysler Collision Detection (CCD) data bus to turn the seat belt reminder lamp on or off. When no faults are present or monitored by the SCTM, the normal voltage range on the SCTM fault circuit is between one and three volts. If the ACM detects voltages outside the normal range on this circuit, or does not detect any input from the SCTM, it sets a fault code and sends messages to the instrument cluster to turn the seat belt reminder lamp on.

Diagnosis and testing....


SEATBELT CONTROL TIMER MODULE
For complete circuit diagrams, refer to Restraint System in the Contents of Wiring Diagrams. [*]Check the fused B(+) fuse in the junction block. If OK, go to Step 2. If not OK, repair the shorted circuit or component as required and replace the faulty fuse.[*]Check for battery voltage at the fused B(+) fuse in the junction block. If OK, go to Step 3. If not OK, repair the open fused B(+) circuit to the battery as required.[*]Check the fused ignition switch output (run-acc) fuse in the junction block. If OK, go to Step 4. If not OK, repair the shorted circuit or component as required and replace the faulty fuse.[*]Turn the ignition switch to the On position. Check for battery voltage at the fused ignition switch output (run-acc) fuse in the junction block. If OK, go to Step 5. If not OK, repair the open fused ignition switch output (run-acc) circuit to the ignition switch as required.[*]Turn the ignition switch to the Off position. Disconnect and isolate the battery negative cable. Disconnect the wire harness connector from the connector receptacle of the Seatbelt Control Timer Module (SCTM) Reconnect the battery negative cable. Check for battery voltage at the fused B(+) circuit cavity of the wire harness connector for the SCTM. If OK, go to Step 6. If not OK, repair the open fused B(+) circuit to the junction block fuse as required.[*]Turn the ignition switch to the On position. Check for battery voltage at the fused ignition switch output (run-acc) circuit cavity of the wire harness connector for the SCTM. If OK, go to Step 7. If not OK, repair the open fused ignition switch output (run-acc) circuit to the junction block fuse as required.[*]Turn the ignition switch to the Off position. Disconnect and isolate the battery negative cable. Check for continuity between the ground circuit cavity of the wire harness connector for the SCTM and a good ground. There should be continuity. If OK, go to Step 8. If not OK, repair the open ground circuit to ground as required.[*]Check for continuity between the right door ajar switch sense circuit cavity of the wire harness connector for the SCTM and a good ground. There should be no continuity with the right front door closed, and continuity with the right front door open. Repeat this test for the left door ajar switch sense circuit. If both circuits check OK, and the problem is with only one inoperative electric seat belt retractor latch solenoid, refer to Electric Seat Belt Retractor Latch Solenoid in the Diagnosis and Testing section of this group. If both circuits check OK, and the problem is with both electric seat belt retractor latch solenoids being inoperative, replace the faulty SCTM. If either or both door ajar switch sense circuits is not OK, refer to Door Jamb Switch in the Diagnosis and Testing section of Vehicle Theft/Security Systems.[/ol]
ELECTRIC SEAT BELT RETRACTOR LATCH SOLENOID
For complete circuit diagrams, refer to Restraint System in the Contents of Wiring Diagrams. [*]Disconnect and isolate the battery negative cable. Disconnect the seat wire harness connector from the connector receptacle of the Seatbelt Control Timer Module (SCTM)[*]Check the resistance between the inoperative (driver side or passenger side) seat belt solenoid control circuit cavity of the seat wire harness connector for the SCTM and a good ground. The correct resistance should be from 50 to 60 ohms. If OK, refer to Seatbelt Control Timer Module in the Diagnosis and Testing section of this group. If not OK, go to Step 3.[*]Disconnect the seat wire harness connector from the connector receptacle of the inoperative (driver or passenger) electric seat belt retractor latch solenoid. Check the resistance between the two terminals in the connector receptacle of the electric seat belt retractor latch solenoid. The correct resistance should be from 50 to 60 ohms. If OK, go to Step 4. If not OK, replace the faulty seat belt retractor unit.[*]Check the resistance between the ground circuit cavity of the seat wire harness connector for the electric seat belt retractor latch solenoid and a good ground. There should be no measurable resistance. If OK, repair the open (driver side or passenger side) seat belt solenoid control circuit between the seat wire harness connectors for the electric seat belt retractor latch solenoid and the SCTM as required. If not OK, repair the ground circuit to ground as required.

Ramrob 02-24-2012 06:22 PM

Yea I cant retrac t them they are stuck in the seat itself. I assumed it was electric because when you slam the brakes most car belts lock up. i will look into it when it stops raining.... I have no power under the seat to the harness. I have been having problems, here is my other thread:
http://ramforumz.com/showthread.php?t=105291

Quiet Lunatic 07-18-2012 01:20 PM

Yea if your having electrical issues they will not work. I unhook my battery on my dodge all the time cuz I dont drive it and the belts will not retract until I hook up battery again.

ramfam 07-18-2012 02:15 PM

Please tell me you have power seats and not manual seats.


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