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CJH 05-01-2012 03:04 PM

Has anyone run E85 Flex Fuel in their Ram?
 
Has anyone put E85 Flex Fuel in their Ram?

I'm playing with the idea with the price of gas the way it is. It's 50 cents cheaper a gallon here in Ohio.

I've heard that the mileage and performance drops though and that in the long run you don't save a dime...

Just curious....

Thanks

ramvan2500 05-01-2012 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CJH (Post 789544)
Has anyone put E85 Flex Fuel in their Ram?

I'm playing with the idea with the price of gas the way it is. It's 50 cents cheaper a gallon here in Ohio.

I've heard that the mileage and performance drops though and that in the long run you don't save a dime...

Just curious....

Thanks

I was thinking about it but it' not a good idea especially since you have to modify the vehicle a bit.

Here are modifications that need to be done and it's expensive.
1. Need to change the fuel pump so it can handle Ethanol, Ethanol isn't die-electric like gasoline so if you put it in a vehicle that doesn't have a designed fuel system for ethanol then you risk igniting the gasoline.
2. You need to change the fuel lines to handle ethanol
3. The A/F ratio for ethanol is slightly higher then that of gasoline so you need to program the ECM for ethanol
4. You don't get better MPG so if you do the math the cost in terms of MPG and distance traveled is going to balance out. The implimentation of ethanol was to reduce emissions, not save money (damn government).

I personally was trying to find gasoline alternatives that are extremely cheap but so far I haven't come up with anything solid enough, I also would need to test it and put my life at risk doing it but hey if it costs 10 cents I'm wearing one of those lava suits :P

bhepper 05-01-2012 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CJH (Post 789544)
Has anyone put E85 Flex Fuel in their Ram?

I'm playing with the idea with the price of gas the way it is. It's 50 cents cheaper a gallon here in Ohio.

I've heard that the mileage and performance drops though and that in the long run you don't save a dime...

Just curious....

Thanks

It use to be that unless the E85 was $1 cheaper per gallon it wasn't worth it. Would assume that's still true but it might not be. Not sure if you would necessarily lose power with E85. There are some manufacturers that claim higher power numbers with E85.

ramvan2500 05-01-2012 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bhepper (Post 789882)
It use to be that unless the E85 was $1 cheaper per gallon it wasn't worth it. Would assume that's still true but it might not be. Not sure if you would necessarily lose power with E85. There are some manufacturers that claim higher power numbers with E85.

You would loose HP because of the evaporation of ethanol vs. gasoline also the energy potential and the A/F ratio, like said with ethanol you need a slightly higer A/F ratio. But unless the fuel system was designed for E85 I would advise against putting it in the tank even if it was cheaper and got better performance and MPG then gasoline.

Black1 05-02-2012 09:11 AM

I've never seen E85 and wouldn't know where to get it.

ArmyofOne 05-02-2012 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ramvan2500 (Post 789659)
I was thinking about it but it' not a good idea especially since you have to modify the vehicle a bit.

Here are modifications that need to be done and it's expensive.
1. Need to change the fuel pump so it can handle Ethanol, Ethanol isn't die-electric like gasoline so if you put it in a vehicle that doesn't have a designed fuel system for ethanol then you risk igniting the gasoline.
2. You need to change the fuel lines to handle ethanol
3. The A/F ratio for ethanol is slightly higher then that of gasoline so you need to program the ECM for ethanol
4. You don't get better MPG so if you do the math the cost in terms of MPG and distance traveled is going to balance out. The implimentation of ethanol was to reduce emissions, not save money (damn government).

I personally was trying to find gasoline alternatives that are extremely cheap but so far I haven't come up with anything solid enough, I also would need to test it and put my life at risk doing it but hey if it costs 10 cents I'm wearing one of those lava suits :P

I run E85 regularly in the city in my 09. Anything 4.7 thats 08 or newer is factory equipped to run ethanol with no modifications.

I actually notice a slight power boost on E85. Truck drives differently. Its weird. 9-10mpg city isnt cool, but as long as city driving is all we are doing that week it doesn't really matter, not much difference between 9 and 14mpg, especially when you consider I have to fill up weekly, regardless, and the price is significantly cheaper where I am.

CJH 05-02-2012 10:40 AM

My 2010 is equipped from the factory to run E85....

I might try it for a week...9-10 MPG though doesn't sound like a good investment....the majority of my driving is city driving.

Right now it is averaging $.50 per gallon cheaper...:thk:

RAMROD5 05-02-2012 10:59 AM

not much of a difference between 9 and 14 mpg? LOL interesting.

ramvan2500 05-02-2012 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Black1 (Post 790295)
I've never seen E85 and wouldn't know where to get it.

I notice they sell it in the southern states mostly and in the mid west, anywhere they're going to grow corn just about. But the true implimentation of E85 was specificially for emissions not for economy or anything like that.

ramvan2500 05-02-2012 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ArmyofOne (Post 790325)
I run E85 regularly in the city in my 09. Anything 4.7 thats 08 or newer is factory equipped to run ethanol with no modifications.

I actually notice a slight power boost on E85. Truck drives differently. Its weird. 9-10mpg city isnt cool, but as long as city driving is all we are doing that week it doesn't really matter, not much difference between 9 and 14mpg, especially when you consider I have to fill up weekly, regardless, and the price is significantly cheaper where I am.

When I was speaking of modifications required that is if the vehicle isn't equipped for it, I am not aware of what models and years of dodge's are equipped.

Well anyways ethanol is ok nothing wrong with it but truely more energy potential in gasoline then ethanol also gasoline has a natural lubricative property which means the engine will last longer but that's why E85 is E85, 85% Ethanol and 15% Gasoline.

The real issue is the A/F because you need slightly more fuel with ethanol then you would gasoline. To be honest I would much rather prefer ethanol over gasoline in terms of price and supply but thing is oil companies are involved so the price will always be within the same range as gasoline. That and you always have your backyard geniuses.


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