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runovryou 04-30-2013 11:32 PM

02 Ram - Never ending problems, desp for help
 
hi all, I am getting pretty desperate and have talked to so many people and read up on so many things, but I'm at a dead end. I have an 02 with 4.7 1500 2wd. I bought it from a dealer last May with 79k on it and looked in very nice condition, drove well with exception of a few issues. When I test drove, it would like to stall when coming to a stop, unless you gave it a little gas, and AC wasn't cold. So the dealer said they'd take care of it all. They sent it to local Dodge dealer, who said the computer needed flashed and that'd take care of the stall issue.. and it seemed to. And they charged AC. All good. 4 months later, radiator blew and it got hot, gauge didn't pin, but got very warm. I stopped immediately. Let it cool, then idled home... less than a mile away. Put new radiator and thermostat in. Everything was good. I scrapped the old radiator, and when I broke off the plastic end tubes, they were packed full of a ton of thick yellowish crud. My guess was somebody had dumped stop leak in it, but I'm not sure. Anyway, stabalizing links went out, battery died, power windows stopped working, tire blew, spare was bad... and so on (over then next 2 months). Then the big one, started running bad, found out head gasket was blown. The guy I took it to for repair is a Ford dealer mechanic who does side work at home. He put new gaskets in, and sent the heads to the machine shop the dealer uses for machining. Got it back and had no heat. I pulled the two hoses that go through the fire wall and flushed using the garden hose. More of the crap like was in my radiator came out. Heat came back after a good flush. (this was around november/december). March it started running like crap again, so I took it back to the same guy because it resembled the symptoms when the head gasket blew. He said he pulled valve cover and rocker was just laying there. So he put new rocker and new lifter in. When I picked it up, it still had a small miss. The first time the key trick told me it was misfire code for cylinder 4. So a few days or weeks of driving like this with small miss.. engine light back on and said misfire cylinder 6. The guy never got back to me about looking at it again, so I pulled the even bank valve cover off hoping/expecting to see something obviously broke. Everything looked fine so I put it back together. The miss is getting worse and is now terrible. It runs ok when I'm a little on the gas, but shakes at idle or when cruising at a steady low rpm speed. I have new PCV valve, new coils, new plugs, have swapped coils and nothing has helped. I did 3 oil changes 500 miles apart after the head gasket repair... haven't noticed anything to note there. I also have noticed it seems to still be loosing coolant pretty steadily. And the strangest thing, is when I really get on the gas, the engine temp gauge drops way low.. then comes back up to normal. I started noticing this after the head gasket work, but can't say when it started doing this. I'm also not noticing coolant anywhere.. no obvious leaks, but not seeing any in the oil either. I've run sea foam, and marvel mystery oil during separate oil changes... it kept seeming like it might be a 'little' better after that, but then back to crap.. and still progressively getting worse. I don't know if it's worth mentioning but I have my muffler off, cat is still on though. Did that right after I got it. This is my third Ram, and have done the same with all... and it never seemed to cause a problem. My so called repair guy won't get back to me, and I'm not sure if it's because he's bad at returning calls, or if he knows there's some kind of bigger problem... but I have no warranty, I know that... he knows that, I'm not going after him with blame, I fully just want it fixed and will pay! All of the issues, I've looked up, and there are suggestions for each, but with all of this together, I'm not sure.. maybe somebody will know what's up with this thing!!?? I know the heads probably shouldn't have been machined, but at the time didn't know, and this guy said it wasn't a problem.. is that possibly what's causing this? I checked the cat after a 30 minute country road drive.. just looking to see if it was glowing red, which to the best of my knowledge would happen if the cat was plugged up. I feel like I've eliminated the PCV or plug or coil issues by replacing and swapping... As of today, the engine code is no longer for cylinder 6, but for random cylinder. I just want it to run good enough to sell, but as bad as the mis is right now, nobody is going to buy, not even cheap! That hurts too.. cause with the cost of the truck and then a few grand in repairs I've already done... makes me hang my head. I'm hoping that some of the guru's on here can point me in a direction that I can try or specifically request to be looked at by some other mechanic or shop. Or, if the truck is scrap, I'll just try to get back as much as I can for it... so far, I think $3000-3500 is about what a wholesaler has said he might pay for it. Sorry for the long post.. never ending problems, never ending description I guess! If anybody can help at all.. I thank you a head of time!

Chris65 05-03-2013 03:01 PM

There is a lemmon law even for used cars without warranty.
Did u checked the carfax?
Go to dodge-they can pull the repair history too.
Machining the head is ok. Don't worry.
The temp gauge thing seems like there is air in the system.
If there is air in the system, it can be the sensor gets the wrong temp and the pcm adjust the conditions.
Flush the system, set it on a slope with nose high. Flush the engine, fill cleaner in, run it on temp and mount the water hose sealed as possible and press the water out-lower hos off from radiaror, flush through the upper.
Refill the system and do the same 2-3times until the water is clear.
Refill with antifreeze and let it run, leave the pressure cap off. Increase slightly the rpm. If the water gets sucked in after the valve opened, fill untill the water does not disappear anymore.
Fill to the top and install the cap. Fill the expansion bottle and drive it wyth rpm over 2000.
When you're back, put a towel over the cap and gloves onyour hand and open slightly the cap while the engine is running. If you hear it suck and no water comes out, remove carefully and fill.
If you leave it sucking for a few seconds and then comes water, its ok.
Always put it on slope with nose high.
Do this, then u have at least the air out and eliminated one possible root cause.
The best is, if u got it apart anyway, put a new valve in.
When u done that, tell me if its better and what it does.

Stampede4.7 05-06-2013 12:35 PM

Where in Ohio are? Sounds like the heater core was leaking, and they put stop leak in it.
Do what Chris65 said to do.

Stampede.

BryGuy 05-07-2013 01:21 AM

Who actually read this novel ???

tjbiker031 05-09-2013 08:36 AM

I'm considering it, not sure if i have time before class starts lol

littlegirlbigtruck 05-09-2013 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjbiker031 (Post 1093623)
I'm considering it, not sure if i have time before class starts lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryGuy (Post 1091383)
Who actually read this novel ???

Hey now boys, be nice. He is just looking for some help from fellow Dodge owners here, isn't that what this forum is largely for?


Runovryou - I am sorry to hear about ALL of the issues that you are having with your truck. One in particular I just had with my truck that is almost the same as yours, a 2003 4.7 L but with 4 wheel drive, and that was with my truck stalling when I came to a stop or was slowing down, such as in a neighborhood or parking lot. My idle was low and when I was at a stop I literally had to keep one foot on the gas and one on the break so that it wouldn't shut off.

I tried a ton of things and it cost me quite a bit of money to finally figure out what the issue was. First, I took it to a shop that took out my IAC valve and cleaned it, as well as adjusted my idle to be at a higher and more standard RPM level. That did not solve the issue at all. After this, my battery decided to go on the fritz (right after I had the work done, and it was a nearly new $300 Optima) - so I went into my local AutoZone and bought a new Optima battery and IAC valve (only $65 at AutoZone) hoping that these would fix the issue. It must have been my lucky day because the manager at AutoZone game me the number of a mechanic that he was good friends with. I met up with him after work that day with the intention of having him replace my IAC valve with the one that I just purchased, and while he was in my truck about ready to take my old one out, he found my problem in literally 30 seconds. My vacuum hose had come undone. As soon as he re-attached it all of my issues were solved. He put my new optima battery in and now my truck is running perfectly, but it was an EXTREMELY frustrating 10 days, so I know you must be beyond frustrated with ALL of the issues that you are having. I was extremely irritated with the first shop that I took my truck to because they charged me $180 to literally do nothing, and that they were STARING at the problem the entire time.

I got lucky in that my new mechanic is younger (not trying to offend anyone at all here) and has been working on newer trucks a lot more, while the first shop I took it to did a lot of work on older and classic cars. I realized, maybe they just didn't even think to check the vacuum hose (which they honestly should have) or maybe they didn't know. My point in this being, maybe your on-the-side after hours Ford mechanic isn't the right man for the job, and it might be worth your time and hard earned money to look into finding another mechanic for your truck's problems, since he doesn't seem to be helping you at all, AND is ignoring your attempts to contact him.

In conclusion: You might want to double check and make sure that your vacuum hose is tightly and properly connected and has no wear or cracks, and if it looks to be tightly attached and in good shape, consider replacing your IAC valve (like i said, a cheap fix and an easy installation.) I know that a lot of people with this same problem found that to be their solution. Another solution I saw was replacing an O2 sensor. Just a couple ideas that I found while researching my issue.

I really do hope that you get all of your truck's problems sorted out so that you can start enjoying your truck rather than stressing about it. I have only been a Dodge owner for a month, and while I love the look of my big truck, I am far less than impressed with it mechanically. I am honestly looking into selling it and getting a new Silverado. (Don't kill me guys, only a thought)



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