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loudounrv 07-27-2013 11:26 AM

How do I Negotiate Price on '14 Special Order
 
I've been waiting for about 6 months to place a special order for a '14. I think I know what I want, but I have no idea how to negotiate the best price, or a even a good price. I'm feeling a bit nervous and have a couple of basic questions.

1. I have done a build sheet and I'm assuming that the FWSP column is what people refer to as the "dealer invoice price," right?

2. What's the rule of thumb for arriving at a good price? Do you want to aim for a certain amount over invoice? How do I start the negotiation process?

3. With a special order (I want a rare combination, ie manual transmission) do I have more or less leverage? When buying off the lot, just having the right truck gives the dealer a lot of bargaining power. So, I'm hoping a special order may give me a little leverage. I don't want to waste anyone's time, but I also don't want to pay more than I have to. One thought was to pick 3 dealers I respect, give them my specs, and tell them I'm going to pick the best price.

I'd welcome any advice or experiences others have had negotiating price! Thank you!

udontknowjack 07-27-2013 11:54 AM

the first thing i would say to my saleman is how much i can get the truck for below dealer invoice.... i wont go over a thousand above invoice

bighemi04 07-27-2013 12:31 PM

Tell them you want 1,000 under invoice and dont take no for an answer. Just remember, If they try to give you crap, you are always leaving. Just walk towards the door. Trust me, I sell cars for a living.

Yankee 07-27-2013 05:38 PM

I went to 3 different dealerships...most places you dont talk to a salesman...you want to order, you talk to the sales mgr...you START at the invoice price for the vehicle as you build it, at his desk, on his puter........forget MSRP...it doesnt exist as far as your concerned...the dealer holdbacks allow them to make a profit even AT invoice. so your number may range from 1k UNDER to mebbe a couple hundred over....depending on how far yer willing to go to get it. The sales mgr i finally ordered from told me he wished he could order EVERY car....he'd need no salesmen, no 100's of vehicles on his lot, and no huge revolving debt to finance his floor plan.....just shovel some paper around and still make $1000+ per vehicle....

as far as leverage re ordering "strange" combinations...forget it...either DODGE can or cant do it...the dealer has no juice..and could care less....the more you spend, the more he makes......and the 13 RAM book is accurate enough....

so far as mechanically actually doing it...go build one on line, if you havent already, and print it out...as it stands there are a few minor changes for 14....but you can straighten them out with the sales mgr...dont forget to allow for delivery....good luck

skytop 07-27-2013 09:06 PM

Read and educate yourself so you know what dealer cost is and what others are paying. You can get major reductions on any 2013 now as the dealers are very eager to blow out the 'old' models.

Don't expect any great bargain on a 2014 Ram. They are in high demand and the dealers have plenty of buyers. If you want a 2014, I would suggest you wait a month or so until the new promotions start to appear. GM and Ford are offering them already so Dodge will have to do similar.

If the dealer won't 'deal,' exercise your privilege to walk out and go elsewhere.

DAA 07-28-2013 09:28 AM

What Yankee said.

Build one online, accept the dealer contact invitation - it will get you straight to a sales manager, or fleet/internet sales guy. Then you can go in, sit down at that persons desk and watch over his shoulder as you choose options and build it out on his online ordering system. His "invoice price" (whatever the heck that actually means anymore...), will be shown on the order/build sheet.

Simply start with $1K under that price and go from there. You shouldn't have to pay that full invoice, no matter what. Getting $500 below is almost automatic. Getting more than that may take the whole getting up and walking away rigmarole, up to you to decide how much effort and at what price you're satisfied.

Then about all you can do, is make sure you get in writing that you get the greater of incentives at time of order or time of delivery. Ordering a 2014 right now, incentives will likely be better at time of delivery. I ordered my 2013 three months ago and it's looking like incentives were actually better then than now - but the truck isn't here yet - incentives might be better by the time it gets here in August. I'll get whichever are better.

That is a pretty standard deal. Better is certainly possible. But you can get $500 below "invoice" and "best incentives" by just going to the internet/fleet guy and asking for it, with no song and dance.

- DAA

Yankee 07-28-2013 10:34 AM

All in all, not counting the unanticipated "tracking expedition", ordering one was the most pleasant experience ive EVER had at anybodys dealership, ever....I was satisfied with every part of it, including the price....folks think it has to be adversarial...it doesnt...just depends on the guy across the desk....and how snippy you think you need to be....and you dont need to be...you just need to be "educated"....and the sales mgr, if he's any good, will pick up on it right away....its a whole different kind of a discussion from the ones you have with the salesguys around the lot....

additionally, he told me that the "incentives" will appear ASA the trucks actually start "rolling out", and i'll automatically get it (them) at that time..in the meantime, as i posted earlier, i got a $500 coupon FROM DODGE (not any dealer) applicable to any 13 OR 14...as long as i get it b4 9/30.....................and i better, all things considered.......

bertburch 07-31-2013 07:51 PM

How do you get the dealer invoice
 
I am looking for a 2014 2500 4x4 Megacab with the 6.4L Hemi. How do I go about getting the real dealer invoice. When I tried asking my dealer, he printed a made-up invoice which was basically the MSRP and told me that was their invoice cost.

RogerRamJet 07-31-2013 08:21 PM

I wouldn't go back to that dealer, then.

DDorr 07-31-2013 08:24 PM

If you are a member of any of the following USAA, Credit Union they have online buying that will allow you to build the truck the way you want it. USAA actually gives you a target price that is WAY below MSRP, in my build case it was about 9K less. The site will then give you a list of dealers who will honor that price.


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