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Gonzo1968 10-13-2013 10:56 AM

Help me, please!!!
:SHOCKED:I have spoke with a couple of exhaust shops and they actually talked me out of buying headers. They explained that the end result is not worth the money spent. They went on to further explain that because of Dodge's engine management system,, I would not be able to fully reap the rewards of a full header/exhaust system like you would with a Chevy or Ford.
I have been reading forums for months from you guys and I was ready to buy a set of LT's and now I am more confused than before.
I do not plan any crazy mods - supercharger,cams,heads. My final mods will be a TC and a VB. Can anyone tell me will it be worth the 2K to get a true dual system?

RamHemi5.7 10-13-2013 11:39 AM

id say they work..esp the arh long tubes...

Grubrunner 10-13-2013 11:47 AM

So by their logic, neither Ford or GM have any type of Engine Management System [ECU, PCM], right?

Gonzo1968 10-13-2013 12:05 PM

They do, its just easier to extract the power, I guess. It just seemed strange that 2 exhaust shops would talked me out of a sale.

Iceman 10-13-2013 12:31 PM

I can't see that being correct, the point of headers is to allow a better flow of exhaust system. Same as a muffler or high flow cats. The factory headers are designed to keep the exhaust system quiet while still making good power. Where performance headers are straight hp and tq gains. Of course headers will work better with a high flow muffler and cats.

Grubrunner 10-13-2013 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by Gonzo1968 (Post 1220327)
They do, its just easier to extract the power, I guess. It just seemed strange that 2 exhaust shops would talked me out of a sale.

I don't know what "... easier to extract the power" means....


So the install & purchase was thru them but they both whistled the same tune, correct?

Yes, that is strange.

Well, I'm sure many here have gone against their beliefs [recommendations] and will prove them wrong and tell you otherwise.

I don't know on these trucks as I've yet to dabble in that area, but I do know LT headers are anything like they claim. I've used them on many vehicles with [very] noticeable improvements.

I'm hoping more will chime in here and put your mind at ease.... and prove both shops you've visited wrong.

Gonzo1968 10-13-2013 09:30 PM

Screw it!!. I am ordering some Stainless or ARH LT's and will have someone else install. Thanks everyone for the info. I must have been crazy to think that a free flowing exhaust would not add power.

CdnoilRAM 10-13-2013 10:22 PM

The only thing I can think they mean is the tuning capabilities to take advantage of the added flow. That was true for the '12s+ up until about a year ago, there are programmers available now that can do exactly what they are saying can't be done.

Even untuned a set of LTs will give you better power across the rpm band, and tuned you can see in the range of 14-25hp over untuned gains. Having run them on my last 2 trucks I can tell you they make a difference.

chefred112 10-15-2013 04:49 PM

wow..that's really surprising to hear from any exhaust'd think they'd want to sell you any exhaust system like snake oil..

Gonzo1968 10-18-2013 11:31 AM

I ordered a set of ARH LT's from Moes. Just waiting for Fedex to get it in gear and hold the package since I am never home when they deliver.

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