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HEMI vs F 150 ECO BOOST

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#1 ·
so i got a buddy whose asking me all these questions about my hemi enging in my 2011 ram and hes saying the ecoboost f150 destroys the hemi

Is this true or can i slap him
 
#458 · (Edited)
Well, it's been almost two years and told you guys I will update you on the Eco like I told you I would way back in this thread as most siad this engine will probably blow by then. I have over 50K on the truck now with only one issue in the engine bay that would put the truck in limp mode and shudder about 15K miles ago. It ended up being a bad coil and I have not had a problems since.

I have met a lot of people that think this engine will explode soon because they think it is high strung and runs in the high rpm all the time because it is a V6 or because the turbo's make the engine run hot all the time. Neither could be further from the truth about the engine and if you actually drove or towed with one, high strung would not even be a thought. With normal driving and towing this truck lives below 3K rpm. Unloaded with normal driving, I barely get to 2.5K rpm unless I purposely go WOT. So no, it does not stay in the high rpm all the time if at all even with 3.55 gears and aggressive 33"(+1 from stock) Duratracs. As far as the heat myth, it is no different that any other truck. I have the android Torque app to monitor my temps when driving and it stays between 190F and 200F unloaded. The highest I have seen it was at 213F towing 8k lbs up a grade 5 hill in 5th gear at 2200 rpm this past summer. It only stayed there for a short while until the thermostats kicked in and it went back down to 192F. Even my catalytic converter temps have never gone above 1600F while towing.

I also added a custom tune to the truck from 5 Star Tuning adding around 60+RWHP and over 115+RWTQ. His tunes are awesome giving me the performance and shifting I want while still being safely to tow the max weight the truck can tow without having to switch to a tow tune. Hell, I just like it for the adjustment of the DBW system and quick torque converter lock up alone. Better shifting and throttle response while adding gobs of power for only $400, I'll take it. The stock Ford tune is overly conservative to keep the engine too safe as most of the tuners like SCT and Superchips have been saying. Which is why even their canned tunes are adding over 50+RWHP and 100+RWTQ. I guess that is why the racing guys on the Ford forums are able to get into the low to mid 13's in a 4wd 4-door in the 1/4 mile with just a tune.

That being said, there is still something I miss about my old Hemi every now and then, the exhaust note. I will admit that this thing is very quiet and is rather welcomed most of the time, but there are those few times that I just want to let her rip and hear something other than jut the tires squealing and turbo whistle. Although I have grown quite addicted to the turbo whistle after my Airraid intake install.

I will give you another update later down the road as promised so those that told me my engine will blow up still have something to look forward to if it does. I hope ya'll are loving ya'll's trucks just I am loving mine so cheers fella's and keep being truck/car fanatics like me.
 
#465 ·
I also added a custom tune to the truck from 5 Star Tuning adding around 60+RWHP and over 115+RWTQ. His tunes are awesome giving me the performance and shifting I want while still being safely to tow the max weight the truck can tow without having to switch to a tow tune. Hell, I just like it for the adjustment of the DBW system and quick torque converter lock up alone. Better shifting and throttle response while adding gobs of power for only $400, I'll take it. The stock Ford tune is overly conservative to keep the engine too safe as most of the tuners like SCT and Superchips have been saying. Which is why even their canned tunes are adding over 50+RWHP and 100+RWTQ. I guess that is why the racing guys on the Ford forums are able to get into the low to mid 13's in a 4wd 4-door in the 1/4 mile with just a tune.
Since you've been gone I have a couple freinds and family members with the Eco Boost. But none are tuned, they don't want to risk their warranties. That said, what warranty do you have? Also what's involved in your tune besides a what you described...like downpipe, boost increase, exhaust etc, what is DBW system? You say all the tunned eb fords are running low 13's with just 50 more hp, have you raced yours yet? Can you describe your tune in detail plz? And last, are you saying that without increasing boost or adding anything they are getting 50 more hp with a SC tuner...thx? And btw, the 4 door eb trucks are getting good times because of the torque the turbo puts outs. The more torque is better for the increased weight. As in Chevy trucks with big block 454's climb steep grades better than with 350 small blocks with shorter strokes.....not that you didn't know that already, lol.
 
#460 ·
Alacey, good to hear the Ecoboost is doing well. Its a great truck and engine. I can't stand completely blind fan boys who down a product, but have no experience with it. 80% of the posts in here are along those lines.

The only thing I can say that the Ram has over the Ecoboost is the exhaust note. A turbo V6 will never sound as good as a V8, but that's just how it goes...
 
#473 ·
No doubts about that. This thing is a little too quiet sometimes. Most of the time I like it because there is no exhaust noise with the radio but sometimes I just want to hear that V8 rumble. Although the low end power more than makes up for it, it is still nice to hear it every now and then. Although my old fox body more than makes up for it.
 
#461 ·
ford engines are junk! period! the last good engine they built was the 7.3 liter diesel. their gasers have always been a joke. buddy (2011 furd rapturd) and i just ran up rte 91 from exit 1 in vermont... ahhh, yeah, he had all he could handle walkin by my 2012 ram with 3.55 gears stock and no lsd. when we got off exit 3? all he said was, ' thought i woulda smoked ya'! well, ya didnt. and hows that aftermarket exhaust and cai workin for ya? turbos ARE the wave of the future, v8 or v6. furd came out with it first and every furd fan is creamin their jeans... there is no doubt that once again both ram and gm will be stompin on furd's engine very soon again.
 
#469 ·
I would also have to say that the 5.4 engine is reliable
No way man. Three guys I work with have late model F150's with the 5.4L and one of them is in the shop to be repaired every couple months. Tons of common issues with them. Spark plugs breaking off(which is definitely not a minor issue), coils cracking, valve springs cracking, fuel pressure regulator failures, the list really goes on for common issues with the 5.4L. Not to mention they start off as gas guzzlers(~12mpg) and comparatively weak(~315hp). My 4.7L gets substantially better mpg and smokes all of their trucks from a standstill to any reasonable speed. My truck has also not had any real issues in 70k miles.
 
#470 ·
ford strait six cly. engine from years ago is worth mentioning as a great engine ?
YES! The ford 300 is one of the best gas engines ever produced. Great gas mileage(17mpg in the 80's in a full size pickup), torque of the bigger small block v8's, and extremely reliable(very common to go 200,000+ miles).
 
#479 · (Edited by Moderator)
Video of a Supercab 4x4 F-150 Ecoboost with a canned SuperChips tune(SC sucks IMO) and an intake taking on a Challenger with a Hemi.

http://www.streetfire.net/video/ecoboost_2382506.htm

The 13.91 that the Challenger posted in that video was only .4-.3 seconds off from the 13.5(2011 R/T) and 13.6 (2010 R/T) posted by an experienced Motor Trend driver in this article. An Ecooboost truck would not stand a chance against a SRT8.

The 13.97 that the tuned F-150 post is rather slow as most of the custom tunes like the 5 Star I have or the Livernois, MPT, and Unleashed tunes are putting up better numbers. Some like Livernois have broken into the 12' with a tune a few mods.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5ORH385hh8&feature=youtu.be

So my custom tuned Eco staying neck and neck with a Challenger is no BS or far fetched. Keep in mind even though I like to press the go pedal to the floor sometimes, I like my truck for it's ease of towing & low end torque more than anything. In the real world 1/4 mile times hardly mean anything me. I am just trying to show you I ain't BS'in you when I say that I can and did keep up with a Challenger R/T.
 
#485 ·
you don't want any of this:box2:
whats up Gabe! :smileup: how's fl treating you..
yeah I had so much fun modding out my 13' mustang gt.. I had to get another one from furd:LOL: I'm scheduled to bring it to Mike to get her lowered..maybe Ill get some video of him cleaning out my clock with his beast LOL.
 
#488 ·
get MGH to build you a turbo! 7psi on the coyote motor = 600rwhp.
I hear you man:smileup: I'm actually looking for a gen 3 truck to keep it normally aspirated and have Mike build it up with a nasty bumpstick. I'm definitely enjoying this new boosted Furd truck though. I just loaded up a livernois 93 tune,6 different tuner companys to choose from the day I got it home, imagine that! Man, when I drop the hammer at 60 it feels like its from a dig again LOL. I can only imagine what your ride feels like. I've ridden in Mikes TT..definitely a different experience when you hit triple digits without all the drama and noise LOL..lovin this boost experience can you tell!
 
#482 ·
you got me!

the 300ci 6cyl was a great engine. sorry. i actually had one in my bronco... couldnt kill it, but again it was a dawg!:smiledown:
and yes, im pretty sure i knew a 6.2 liter furd rapturd was gonna win, but when you hear bullshit all day... gotta do what ya gotta do. but honestly? he could not believe that it took his ass off the seat and pedal through the floor just to 'walk' me, and by walk, i mean barely.:smileup:
glad i got that BT catch can, i think that really kept me in the race. lol
and anyone out there want their iq lowered, let me know. got lots of junk for the brain! lol
GO MOPAR!
 
#483 ·
the 300ci 6cyl was a great engine. sorry. i actually had one in my bronco... couldnt kill it, but again it was a dawg!
Well it was a truck engine, so very low hp, with very high torque. I had a 300cid in my F100 and it was a great engine. With a little work to the head and a cam, intake/exhaust, it was pretty strong. ~350-400hp which is pretty good for a 300cid engine with minimal money put in to it. A lot of drag racers use the 300, there is an aftermarket crossflow head for it. There's a guy that runs something like 9's with a NA 300cid engine in his altered. There are also a lot of guys that turbo them and run similar times in street legal cars. I am selling all the parts i had, and just sold the intake to a guy in ohio with a 300cid that is NA and runs low 10's.

But from the factory, yeah, they are slow. But they are a terrific truck engine, strong, reliable, cheap, and good on gas.
 
#487 ·
I've got 180,000 miles on my Ram hemi, 260,000 miles on my RT Magnum hemi, trouble free. Both get sprayed a 100 shot of nitrous regularly. Let me know when you get 260,000 miles on your Eco Boost. I believe Chrysler's new Pentastar once it gets twin turbos, will school EcoBoost. But, seriously folks, when did a 6cyl become more than a V8 Hemi? Got some swamp land, you might like, if you buy into that. Do they make anti Viagra to make you softer, limp? Naa.
 
#492 ·
My impression of the ecoboost fuel mileage is mostly hype. Its a great marketing strategy now with the price of fuel at the pump. I honestly wish the truck would have gotten what ford advertises in real driving conditions. For what it costs extra over having a V8 it should. And also, id rather see people driving F-150's than Focus's any day.

I have many co-workers and friends that drive trucks. I have rode in them all at some point (Ford, Dodge, Chevy, GMC, Toyota, Nissan). To each their own. Every truck has its strengths and weaknesses. Typically, trucks just plain stink at gas mileage. Its hard to get around that fact that your driving around a light tank.

To get around this you have to beat the system, and by the system I mean physics (ie. lower weight materials, better body aerodynamics, less friction parts, increased engine efficiency, better gearing, better lubrication, electric fans and pumps) without sacrificing power, of course.

From what I have seen personally with the Ecoboost it does have nice power. But the numbers on fuel MPG are a little off. Highway driving yielded ~17/18. City was closer to 15/16. I dont have a picture of the highway MPG's but I was able to manage one of mostly a tank of gas after my friend drove around a week around the town where I work. Just my 2 cents.

 
#493 ·
well I get 15/16 around town and up to 19/20 on highway and I can absolutely smoke an ecoboost!!!
 
#497 · (Edited)
My 4wd Super Crew(4 door) 3.55 Ecoboost got 18.5 combined city/highway when it had stock tires and now it gets 16 combined with 33"(+1 inch over stock) Wrangler Duratracs and a 2.5" level and a 3" block in the rear. My 09 Ram Hemi CCab 4wd got 16 combined stock and 13-14 with a level and 33" BFGs. My Ecoboost tows better, but the Hemi sounded better. The Ecoboost has a TON of pulling power before 3,000 rpm and my old Hemi needed more rpms with a gear or two down in the transmission to do the same job pulling a load. Both still got the job done, just in different ways. The major difference was not WOT between my old Hemi and Ecoboost, but the pulling power below 3,000 rpms with normal driving or towing. The pulling power I felt in my Ram in 4th gear at 2,500 rpms is the same pulling power I feel with my Ecoboost at 1,700 rpms in 6th gear. They both have their plus and minuses. I am not a brand loyal fan boy because it's not like they are loyal to me and would return the favor. I am who ever gives me the best product for my needs at the time of purchase loyal. My needs do not fit everyone else's and where one cares about things like exhaust noise or looks as a major factor, I don't. The major thing I hated about my 09' was the car coils when towing. Unloaded it was great but I had more than enough uneasy times loaded. That and a few hiccups with my transmission that my local dealer could not seem to fix was what also did me in on trading it in along with the towing test drive I did in a friends Ford Ecoboost. Not all will agree with me but then again it's no skin off my nuts since it is I who makes the payment on my truck.

well I get 15/16 around town and up to 19/20 on highway and I can absolutely smoke an ecoboost!!!
Better make sure it is not a tuned one. Those little 3.5 TTs are quick with just a $400 tune. Here is what the are posting in the Ford forums and they have the slips and vids to back them up.

12.72 @ 109.01, TurboPete, Screw, 2WD, 3.55, Offroad Y-pipe, 4" Exhaust, AFE Stage II, Nitrous Proflow Kit (~65 shot), SCT Custom Tuning.
12.874 @ 103.44, Rick@Livernois, Screw, 4WD, 3.55, Livernois offroad downpipe, Livernois 93 Tune, 170 deg Tstat
13.268 @ 101.38, Slow, 2012 Screw, 2wd, 3.55, track test tune by Tuners Inc, AFE Stg2 intake, MAK Y-pipe w/ stock exhaust, windshield washer fluid injection
13.308 @ 100.41, prime8, 2011 Scab, 4wd, 3.55, Solo MR400 exhaust, Livernois 93 tune, airraid oilless CAI
13.39 @ 100.05, Rick@Livernois, Screw, 4WD, 3.55, Livernois 93 Tune, 170 deg Tstat
13.46 @ 98.84, Rick@Livernois, Screw, 4WD, 3.55, Livernois 93 Tune, 376 rwhp
13.47 @ 101.6, Slow, 2012 Screw, 2wd, 3.55, Unleashed 87 tune, AFE stg 2 CAI, MAK Y pipe, stock exhaust
13.57 @ 100.14, likemyeco, 2012 Screw, 4WD, 3.55, Livernois 93 tune, off road pipe
13.60 @ 98.21, BlueBoostedSCrew, 4WD SuperCrew, 3.55, Livernois 93v2 Tune/AirRaid CAI, 365 rwhp
13.648 @ 96.82, vteckiller2000, Screw, 4WD, 3.73, SCT 93 tune
13.66 @ 98.7, Slow, 2012 Screw, 2wd, 3.55, Unleashed 87 tune, AFE stg 2 CAI, 365 rwhp on 93 tune.
13.669 @ 97.96, taz1, 2011 Scab, 4wd, ? 93 tune
13.679 @ 99*,joewee3.5, 2011 screw 4wd, Livernois catless downpipes, livernois 93v2, aFe Stg 1, 4" custom exhaust
13.686 @ 97.91, focus289, 2012 Screw, 4wd, 3.73, Livernois 93v2 tune
13.69 @ 101.4, supereco, 2011 Scab, 2wd, 3.73, heartthrob 4 inch, Livernois 93v2 tune, airraid CAI
13.72 @ 97.51, No1ford, 2011 Scab, 4wd, 3.55, Edge 91 tune, Airaid intake
13.72 @ 96.65, rancheroracer, 2012 Scab, long bed, 4wd, 3.55, 5 Star 93 tune, into a stiff headwind
13.731 @ 97, CoreyMS, Screw, 4WD, 3.73, MAK Offroad Y-pipe, 3" Exhaust, AFE Stage II, Unleashed 93
13.75 @ 95.87, Only306, 2011 Screw LB, 4wd, 3.55, MPT 93 tune
13.75 @ 96.84, djt81185, 2012 Scab, 4wd, 3.73, sct 93 tune, DA 1840'
13.804 @ 96.71, Geno51, 2012 Screw, 4wd, 3.73, SCT 93 tune
13.808 @ 96.316, rancheroracer, 2012 Scab long bed, 4wd, 3.55, 5 Star 93 tune
13.83 @ 97.13, Only306, 2011 Screw LB, 4wd, 3.55, SCT 93 tune
13.83 @ 95.70, 05mustang_tt_charged, Screw, 4wd, 4.10 gears, Livernois 93 Performance V2 Tune
13.85 @ 96.56, SICKQK, 2011 Screw, 3.73, SCT 93 tune
13.88 @ 98.6, supereco, 2011 Scab, 2wd, 3.73, heartthrob 4 inch, Livernois 91 tune, or was it Superchips?, airraid CAI
13.918 @ 99.22, ssrbolt, Screw, 2wd, 3.15, SCT 91 Tune/AirRaid CAI, Magnaflow Cat-back
13.947 @ 95.48, CoreyMS, 2011 Screw, 4wd, Unleashed 93 tune.
13.98 @ 96.44, Eboostfx4, Screw, 4wd, Livernois 91 tune
13.99 @ 97.14, oxwhite11, 2011 Screw, 4wd, 3.73, Hearthrob 4" exhaust, Livernois 93 tune, Airraid CAI
13.991 @ 96.97, dodgehemi0, Screw, 4wd, 3.73, Livernois 93v2 tune
14.040 @ 96.98, twbrown44, 2011 SCAB, 2wd, 3.55, Airraid filter, Aeroturbine muffler
14.02 @ 95.08, Limitless2011, 2012 Screw, 3.73, Roush exhaust, SCT 93 tune, Injen CAI, TB spacer
14.04 @ 96.12, 2011boost, 2011 Screw, 4wd, 3.55, SCT 93 tune
14.093 @99.60, Plumbnman, 2011 SCREW, 2wd 3.55, Solo 4" exhaust, AFE Stage 2 intake, Livernois 93 V2 tune
14.11 @ 97.86, Turbopete, 2012 Screw, 2wd, 3:55, MAK Offroad Y-pipe, MAK 4" MagnaFlow Exhaust, Superchips tune, 366 rwhp
14.125 @ 95.0, chalybs, 2011 Screw, 4wd, Unleashed 93 tune
14.18 @ 95, No1ford, 2011 Scab, 4wd, 3.55, Airraid CAI
14.20 @ 97, rickof08, 2012, Screw, 2wd, 3.55 gears, mpt 93 performance tune
14.2 @ 97, heyman, 2011 Screw, 4wd, 3.73, Livernois 93 tune
14.211 @ 97.80, glsryan, 2011 Screw, 2wd, 3.15, Hearthrob 4" exhaust
14.22 @ 95, ninjatalon, 2011 Screw, 4wd, 3.73, SCT 93 tune
14.23 @ 96.48, focus289, 2012 Screw, 4wd, 3.73, 5 Star 93 tune
14.23 @ 94.71, F150man3.5, 2011 Screw, 4wd, 3.73, Magnaflow muffler/3" resonater delete
14.24 @ 95.47, BDFX4, 2012 Scab, 4wd, 3.73, SCT 93 tune
14.32 @ 94.14, SICKQK, 2011 Screw, 3.73, stock *quickest stock*
14.35 @ 95.8, ultradriver10000, 2012, SCT 93 tune, DA ~2700'
14.37 @ 94.76, Geno51, 2012 Screw, 4wd, 3.73, stock
14.386 @94.98, Plumbnman, 2011 SCREW, 2wd 3.55, Solo 4" exhaust, AFE Stage 2 intake, stock tune
14.40 @ 94.41, No1ford, 2011 Scab, 4wd, Stock
14.424 @ 94.59, taz1, 2011 Scab, 4wd, stock

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJSRRTGLPFE
 
#495 · (Edited)
well I get 15/16 around town and up to 19/20 on highway and I can absolutely smoke an ecoboost!!!

I agree with both of your statements. The ford has a boxier exterior, interior is plainer than the dodge, and is more complex (engine wise with a turbo charger). Any good mechanic or engineer would tell you that your going to have failures no matter how well you design something or maintain it. Better to design it as simple as needed to reduce the overall cost of maintence when things do break.

Actually, since I have posted the comment above, my friend has taken the truck in because he has been experiencing "rough idle" engine vibration problems (looked already for loose vaccum hoses, bad plugs, etc.). Makes me cringe just to think about working on a vehicle that only has 12k on it.

Personally, speed-wise, the eco-boost doesnt feel that much faster than the hemi or any well powered V8 truck. Most of when the truck accelerated seemed to be past the 40mph range. The only way around this was to spool up the turbos at launch.

Bottom line is with all the "technology" the ford has it won't save you any money in fuel costs or total cost of ownership.
 
#498 ·
^good post. Yeah the ecoboost engine is very impressive, and has more torque than the hemi at ANY rpm. That's pretty impressive. From what I've seen they are basically equally as fast as the hemi, if not faster. The only downside I see to them would be lower than advertised mpg(not any better than a v8) and more complex.

I get 16/17 city and 20+(easy) on the highway. I do have the 4.7 so not near the torque of the hemi or ecoboost, but with a few mods my quad cab with big heavy AT tires moves pretty good and I get great mpg for a full size truck. Everyone reporting mpg for the ecoboost gets significantly less than advertised.
 
#499 · (Edited)
Most turbo vehicles are that way with being further off from EPA estimates than N/A engines. The way the EPA's tests are performed to get the mileage estimates does not do good to correctly test turbo engines. They are made more for the steady psi state of a naturally aspirated engine than the ever changing effective displacement of a forced induction engine.

A slight compression of the throttle on a N/A engine at low a rpms will not do a lot or use much fuel because you are not moving that much more air through the cylinders. Therefore a slight compression on the N/A engines throttle does not mean much at low rpm(or diving rpm) and you have to give it more throttle to get it to the higher rpms to have a more profound effect.

A slight compression of the throttle on a turbo engine at low rpms can put you into the boost as much as 10 psi depending on the situation which is essentially air being crammed into the cylinders raising it's effective displacement. As everyone knows more air equals more fuel, intern giving you more power. At just 10 psi, the 3.5L Ecoboost has the effective displacement of a 5.9 liter engine. Therefore a slight compression of a turbocharged engines throttle makes a big difference in air/fuel being pumped in and power output at low rpms. At full boost, the Ecooboost is cramming enough air into it's 3.5 liters to give it an effective displacement of a 6.6 liter engine.

Basicaly, a lot more variables or slight changes will effect the mpgs of a turbocharged engine then that of a N/A engine. Another problem with most Ecoboost owners is that they like the 6.6 liter side rather than the 3.5L side of their engine.
 
#501 ·
Having owned both a 09 Ram Laramie and now a 13 eco FX4 I will say this about both trucks, the Ram is the better looking truck I won't deny that, interior is subjective I think the only thing looks wise the Ram has going for it that is more "luxurious" is the upscale models with the stitched look on the dash. The heated stearing wheel was a definite plus to me and is one thing I miss. Gas mileage has been similar with the edge going to the Ford, in town I get 1-2 MPG better. Hwy has been pretty much dead even. Ride on both to me seems similar, I'd say the Ram handles bumps better and isn't as jarring. Performance wise stock for stock (Ram had 3.92's Eco has 3.55's) my Ram would take my Eco if the race was just give it the gas and go. There is this horrible lag between pressing the gas and the truck starting to move, now boosted launch I would call it a drivers race. During my time with the Hemi I added a Maggie "14, S&B, and a Trinity tuned by Hemifever. The truck was decently quick and it sounded damn good, however I have a SCT Livewire with custom tunes from MPT (the only mod to the truck) currently running the 91 performance tune and this truck would destroy my Hemi. I shopped both trucks before I traded the 09 in, was going to order a '13 with the 8spd, sat down with the salesman and built the truck, haggled over numbers and came down to something agreeable but I'd been intriged by the Eco since it came out went and test drove one ran numbers on it and in the end I parked the Ford in my driveway for less than I could get the Ram for.
 
#505 ·
Yeah, I got a MPT and 5 Star tune on my Eco. It is amazing how much power these tunes add to these little engines. Over 60 horsepower with over 100lb-ft of torque added to the rear wheels for just $400 on a 10,000+ tow safe tune is just mind boggling. I would have had to spend thousands of dollars on my old 09 to get that amount of gains. It kind of makes me wonder if Ford sand bagged the tuning on this engine to be on the safe side. I spoke with Mike at 5 Star and Rick at Livernois Motorsports about the longevity of these things since I was worried what these tunes will do. Rick has torn these things down and told me "With 6 bolt mains, a forged crank along with the other beefed up internals, and water/oil cooled turbos, I would worry more about the other things lasting you lasting you 150k miles than the engine and turbos". I still like the sound of my old Hemi even though the exhaust noise is not even on my list of must haves on a truck I use as a truck.
 
#504 ·
My take on the ecoboost is that it is pretty equal to the ram i love my ram and wouldnt trade it for anything but the ecoboost yes it is fast woth a little work but its forced induction kinda like the lightning stock for stock comparable but with just a tune and pulley they smoke the hemis the only thing i dont like about our hemis is the mds sucks mine is turned off and also the tranny is junk but hopefully they cam get em to hold together but i will say i have been smoked by an ecoboost that had literally everything you can put on the truck but still not that impressive with how they pull a trailer and i just love having the power of a v8 under the peddle and nit sounding like a rice burner plus the rams looks way better
 
#509 ·
I guess I am old school but i'll take displacement and extra cylinders over forced air and less cylinders any day. Just like I'll take pushrod over DOHC in a truck. It's not based on facts or the size off my junk but opinion.
 
#510 ·
I concur, when the Hemi produces what it does normally aspirated.......way too many expensive parts to potentially let go in the Eco-boost.:SHOCKED:Just think, all the cost saving they claim in gas doesn't add up to anything when the little V-6 wears out or one of the two turbos pukes. :LOL:
 
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