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Like I mentioned earlier in this thread, I tried to make this truck rub upon picking it up and simply cannot. There's four-wheeler track less than a mile from my residence and I took it there for about 30mins recently. Nothing.

I'm currently running the tires front/back at 42PSI. Iíll drop that figure down to 36PSI when summer rolls around. These numbers, after much trial-n-error, worked on my previous setup for best ride/comfort and thus far seems to be doing the job on this truck nicely.

I told my install guy there were three priorities with this setup. First was I did NOT want any trimming anywhere. I had some [minor] trimming on my previous truck on the lower valance, bottom lip of inner fender guard and absolutely hated it. Nobody ever knew it was there Ė at least nobody ever commented on it Ė but it used to piss me off every time I looked at it simply because I knew its existence. I got over it but vowed my next truck wouldnít be trimmed.

Second was I did not want any rubbing, any time, ever. I told him what my plans were with this truck [beach 4WDíing, some light trails and maybe some light mudding] and rubbing was not an issue I wanted to deal with.

Finally, I did not want any type of wheel spacers used to achieve my goal of rubbing avoidance. Iím not a fan of wheel spacers and either is my install guy. Iíve read/heard of way too many horror stories over the years for my liking. I wanted the tires sitting no further past the wheel wellís lip, too. The tires on my previous truck sat a little further out than I liked/preferred and that kind of bothered me a little every time I viewed them at ďcertainĒ angles.

If he was unable to meet these requests, then we would write-up a different game plan and take a serious look at different wheel/tire combinations and/or maybe even consider a proper lift as opposed to just a level. I wasnít hell bent [no pun intended] on a level exclusively but it was my first choice. No need for concern. He nailed it.

I also wanted a dead-level but wasnít too concerned with a slight rear hike if need be [it was actually my preference if I had a choice because I like the ever-so slight rear hike] on the ass-end. At a 2.1Ē Bilstein setting on the front, would have given the rear a very slight hike, but the front would have rubbed slightly with my configuration requiring the cutting-n-shutting I mentioned earlier, so he opted for a 2.8Ē setting and a near dead-level with [again] no rubbing. Works for me.

Now that Iíve accumulated well over 1.5K miles on this setup [since install] I believe Iíve gathered enough information to accurately forward a fair opinion on the equipment, setup and quality.... so here goes for those interested.


Ride Quality & Handling -

I must say that I was VERY skeptical about the people on these and similar boards, who would often comment that following their Bilstein 5100 install, the ride quality was on par Ė or even better than Ė the OEM ride. How was this possible with a lift [level] after obvious and direct alterations to the truckís suspension? Better than OEM ride? PffttÖ címon! Past experiences have taught me that when you mess with a truckís OEM stance, ride quality will suffer to some degree. After all, I had recently departed with a leveled 2005 Ford Screw that had the identical wheel/tire combo as this, with a Hell Bent 2.5Ē level kit, and the ride quality took a noticeable dive following installation of the setup. It lost its ďdampeningĒ factor almost instantly with a noticeably ďharderĒ ride that just didnít absorb road bumps and bruises as well as I expected or anywhere near the OEM ride. However, seeing as this was a secondary [weekender] vehicle at best, it really didnít bother me too much. Long rides were not the most pleasant of experiences but I soon got use to them and didnít know better after some time. Around town, brief shoots were no problem as by the time you had a chance to analyze the rideís quality and make a comment; you were at your destination. I lived with it during my ownership, but it was always on the back of my mind to re-do the entire suspension. I never pursued it.

This truckís a much different story!

Ride quality IS on par with the OEM and, at times, appears to be significantly better than the OEM ride. I donít remember the OEM setup absorbing pavement imperfections, bumps-n-bruises like it does now. Honest. Because a vehicleís shock absorbers directly affect its braking, handling and pretty much overall ride quality, I now have noticeable improvements in just about all three of those areas. Braking has shown no noticeable improvement much to my expectations, but handling and overall ride quality is, at the very least, on equal ground with the OEM ride if not improved. Highway/interstate driving is smooth and comfortable with no discomfort as I use to experience with my previous truck. My previous truckís setup also use to have me gripping the steering wheel a little tighter at highway speeds above 65MPH as the truck use to grow a mind of its own and would require driver intervention to stay straight and in control. It wasnít a very reassuring and/or pleasant feeling, as you can imagine. Not so with this truck. It controls the same at 75MPH as it does at 45MPH. The ďjoltsĒ that my previous setup [Ford] had are non-existent now. Yes, the ride now is a tad tighter, or harder, than OEM but IMHO this is the way it should be. Some will notice it and others will most probably continue sipping their lattes without any spills. All highway bumps and bruises are absorbed VERY well and it just seems to stay in a straight line without effort [something I would often struggle with on my Ford] at speeds above 65MPH. Very nice indeed.

Let me just add that there is a VERY light ďshimmyĒ you will feel from these Toyo Open Country MT tires from a stand-still roll. Itís evident for barely a full second until you achieve a little rolling speed, but it is there and it is evident. I had the identical feel on my previous truck, so it was no surprise to me when I felt it this time around too. It really is a VERY trivial issue and not a concern at all. On a full tank, you barely feel it given the ass-end weight and drop; south of one-half a full tank and it becomes apparent. Those who have/had these tires will know EXACTLY what Iím speaking of.

Simply put: Bilstein 5100ís ARE the very BEST way to level these 4th Generation Ram 1500 modelsÖ.if ride quality, handling and all thatís in between is of concern to you. Add to that you get a near perfect level stance and itís win-win. At times, Iím truly amazed how well this setup rides as it seems to ride a little better every time I step in. Spend a little more than the common method [block spacers] and do it the proper way; itís worth every penny. At least this is my opinion, so take it for what itís worth.

I have [very] quickly become a Bilstein 5100 advocate. It simply rocks!

Noise -

Prior to pointing the finger, letís consider the source here. Iím riding on 35Ē mud terrains designed for [pretty much] off-road use exclusively, so noise, to some degree, is to be expected. However, remember that noise, or its interpretation of it from one person to another, is very subjective simply because no two people hear, translate and identify frequencies identically or even sound output [SPL]. Thereby, whatís mediocre and relatively quiet to one person may seem obnoxious and overwhelmingly loud to another, and visa-versa. Because Iíd previously ridden on this [similar] setup, my expectations and ultimate outcome of tire ďhumĒ or ďwhineĒ was not a surprise but rather a given/sure thing. I just wasnít sure how much/little in comparison. With the radio at a normal listening level, you probably wonít notice the tiresí sound, or at least it will not be talking point. At least I donít. However, trying to have a whisper/quite conversation with someone at 40MPH in and around town with the windows rolled up, may be a different story. Itís certainly not unbearable [far from it] but apparent nonetheless. Best analogy I can give is itís like the neighborís barking dog, five houses down, in the middle of the night. You can hear it, only just, but it doesnít distract you from the task at hand [sleep]. Highway driving, to my surprise, was less intrusive and actually quite pleasant in every way. Itís almost like the tire noise is drowned out by the [other] exterior elements/happenings.

Like I said in another thread recently, IMHO, the Toyo Open Country MTís are the quietest mud terrain/aggressive tire you will own. Certainly the quietest Iíve ever used.

I will say this to end the noise issue: the tire hum/whine I experience now was NOT as apparent on my Ford as it is on this truck. Not a huge difference, but noticeable to me nonetheless. This, Iím certain, is a cabin insulation/sound-deadening issue as my Ford was quitter in the cabin [OEM] than my Ram ever was [OEM] before the mods, so my expectations were realistic in this regard with the recent changes.

MPG --

Though MPG tests were initially hand calculated, nothing will be forwarded as I scrapped everything about one week back.

No speedometer corrections were performed to compensate for the changes so any figures/tests/numbers posted would not only be inaccurate, but, more importantly, misleading. Again, thanks to the forum member for pointing this out earlier in this thread.

For the record, and for what itís worth: I stopped taking MPG calculations on this truck not long after winter came around late last year. Or shortly following the introduction of winter-blend fuel at the pumps. I only just started again shortly prior to this setup being installed and immediately following, to crunch and compare numbers for the boards. Why had I stopped altogether? It use to give me something to do sitting around the firehouse waiting for a run, mixing, matching, comparing and crunching numbers [it was actually fun and explained a lot about the changes in my driving habits from fill-to-fill], but it started depressing the sheet out of me when the winter-blend fuel hit the market. Like I was discussing with another member recently, plain and simple, IMHO these 5.7L Hemi 4th Generation engines AND winter-blend fuel, simply do not like one another on any level. I'm using Top Tier fuel [Shell or Exxon exclusively]. Iíve taken a significant beating in the MPG department since [forcefully] switching to winter-blend fuel. Iím not going to throw out any numbers [Iím done with the MPG thing] but Iíll say this: the amount of MPG Iíve lost on this truck with the current fuel available, is considerably more than Iíve experienced with ANY car/truck Iíve owned in twelve years. Maybe itís my truck exclusively. I donít knowÖ.

So Iím done tossing numbers around. Now - remembering why I made the initial purchase - I just remind myself Iím driving a truck, and to enjoy the [damn thing] truck.

Thanks for reading.

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Great and amazing feedback and breakdown.
It is very valuable to all here

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Just as an FYI.

Whenever you alter the OEM suspension/tire/wheel combo, you'll get similar results as I did below WITHOUT having your speedometer caliberated to offset the changes.

I used the Apple Application "Speedometer" and downloaded it onto my wife's iPhone 5, sat it up on the cluster and hit I-95 for a couple of miles to compare real-time.

I first tested it to see how it would compare with my Tahoe in terms of accuracy. Both my Tahoe [OEM] and the Apple App read identical between 45MPH - 80MPH.

Below are the pictures I snapped when I compared the Global Positioning System traced MPH, to my NON-CALIBERATED setup.

You can clearly see the diferences.



CC set at 55MPH




CC set at 60MPH




CC set at 65MPH




CC set at 70MPH



The above discrepancies are enough to get you a speeding ticket.

I purchased a Hypertech Speedometer Calibrator [752501] this week [arrived today] and will install it tomorrow. The $150.00 or so for or the Hypertech Speedometer Calibrator is worth every penny IMHO as you'll pay that, and then probably some more, for a SINGLE speeding ticket.
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Most tuners include the speedo recalibration if you ever plan to do that...
The difference is about the same as the tires...35s over 33s is about 6% difference and that's about the same as the speedo errors above.
Thanks for doing that though! Very nice info.

This same 6% gain, makes your MPG about 13.7 mpg instead of the indicated 12.9 in the photos. Not bad for big 35" mud tires and a HEMI! Wonder how much the Magnaflow and S&B help that out...ordering both for my truck (14" and Y from Mf and the oiled filter CAI setup from S&B) asap!
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Sounds about right and that app is pretty bang on
I also use it as well
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Sounds about right and that app is pretty bang on
I also use it as well
Your speedometer isn't calibrated?
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Your speedometer isn't calibrated?
Yes it is....but I used it to make sure it was.
The Hypertech speedo tool you entered in the tire size and it calibrated it.
The diablo T1000 (what I use now) requires you to measure the tire and enter that number for it to be true
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I can't get over how sharp those wheels look! I'm honestly thinking about buying a set for my new 1500. They will have to be stock size, as I have the air suspension, but they are sharp!
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