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Old 06-15-2013, 11:23 PM
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I got my magnaflow put on at B&B right there in Arlington for $70.


Rick's in Midlothian was $80 to put it in.
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No, he's correct - I've lived here for six years (due to military) and it's unreal - tint checkers in the state trooper cars - lifted trucks are not really a target but lower ones are almost no where to be found unless it's a car show. Better be an air system you can adjust when getting pulled over.

I've paid three tint tickets now - not pulling it off and if they required proof (they don't so far) I'd pull and replace it.
I didn't question his tint comment.

Re-read my post and have a look at the part I put in bold.
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Don't shoot the messanger (or mechanic) or be to quick to call B.S. As almost any shop that works on exhaust systems has gotten bit by some state or federal regulator.

The entire exaust system is covered under EPA (federal) regulations and in certain states is covered under state regulation as well. Since the 90's there are so many regulations on automobile repairs its almost impossible to tell if by turning a wrench if you are breaking the law. Its why I don't own a shop anymore. Seemed that you needed one lawyer for every two grease monkeys you had in the bay just to keep yourself out of trouble.

The laws and consequences for shops has gotten pretty strict. Most shops are blissfully unaware of the mine field for which they play. The issue being that is the regulations are complicated and sometimes confusing. But the general guidance from the industry is that any modification that bypasses a emissions component or modifies its functions is considered "tampering" and whether or not the shop did it, or the shop just touches when doing a repair, they can legally be responsible under the law. But seems everyone has different opinions of what an "emission component" is. Unfortunatley this means that some states will say things like larger pipes are not legal because they reduce back pressure which effects the emissions profile. Depending on the state, the statutes, and the whether the inspector has had his coffee yet they can cite for all sorts of things.

Let pick on Ohio, as that is the one I am most familiar with:
http://epa.ohio.gov/portals/27/echec...guidelines.pdf

One good example is the customer who wants their truck converted from single to dual exaust. Gets real frustrating when customers get so upset when you can't do something.

Q22 Is it tampering to install a dual exhaust system on a vehicle originally
equipped with a single exhaust?
Answer 22. The general rule is that a motor vehicle emission control system (which includes
the exhaust configuration) may not be changed from an U.S. EPA certified configuration without
subjecting the repair shop to liability for violating the state and federal tampering prohibition.
The exhaust system configuration, including the location of the converters, and exhaust pipe
diameter and length, are items specified by the manufacturer because engines and some of the
associated emissions systems are generally affected by the exhaust system back-pressure, which
subsequently affects vehicle emissions. The installation of a dual exhaust system with two
converters would, therefore, be considered tampering.

The question 22 from the Ohio FAQ comes directly from the EPA guidance that was released in 1991:
http://www.epa.gov/compliance/enforcement/air/documents/fuelwaivers/exhsysrepair.pdf
Where its listed as question 7.

The "voiding of warranty" area is questionalbe because of lack of clarity under what conditions a shop becomes legally liable when working on a vehicle with a modified exhaust system. Depending on who you ask, or what EPA document you read, the shop may.....or may not....be required to return the exhaust to stock if they end up touching the modified exhaust system. (Try explaining that one to a customer) So many shops/dealers just refuse to work on engine or emission system with a modified exhaust.
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Thankfully Minnesota isn't that strict. Also, it all depends on the situation. I brought in my 2000 Dodge RAM to the same shop I mentioned in my original post to have the entire cat back done. The whole thing had literally fallen apart on my way home from work one day.

The owner asks if I want to stick with dual exhaust and I said yes. He then says "You know you don't have a muffler on here right?" I hadn't known. I knew it was loud but it didn't sound stupid loud. So I asked him how illegal it was, because lets face it some laws are enforced more than others. I can technically and legally buy an explosive called Tannerite that needs a high powered rifle round to set off but I can't buy fire crackers THOSE would be dangerous. He said in Minnesota there won't be any problems but in northern Wisconsin I might have issues. So I spent the extra $50 for a glass pack. He was more then ready to put the system all back together without the muffler but I guess the y-pipe thing is over the top.

I get it. It's his shop and his ass if anything happens. I said OK and went to the next shop who are more then willing to do it.
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No kidding if Texas was that strict there would be a TON of shops out of business.
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No kidding if Texas was that strict there would be a TON of shops out of business.
Texas is the the same as most states. "No tamper" is federal regulations and most states have regulations on the books saying that they enforce them. But states only seem to enforce the law when they find it covenient to do so and can make an easy buck.

http://www.tceq.texas.gov/airquality...tampering.html

http://info.sos.state.tx.us/pls/pub/...1&ch=114&rl=20
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Texas is the the same as most states. "No tamper" is federal regulations and most states have regulations on the books saying that they enforce them. But states only seem to enforce the law when they find it covenient to do so and can make an easy buck.

http://www.tceq.texas.gov/airquality...tampering.html

http://info.sos.state.tx.us/pls/pub/...1&ch=114&rl=20
The shop that did my inspection Saturday didn't ding me for the exhause, YeHaw! However, they did have me by the short and curlys when they told me that I'd have to replace the wipers. It was late in the day and I was leaving for NY on Sunday for the rest of the month, so I had to let them do it. And holy crap! $31 for both wipers... good night nurse!
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Hey! I live in Maryland. I was going to modify my exhaust shortly. We have a place called "Trick Trucks". What kind of restrictions are there? I also want to put on a manga flow 14". Will I have problems?
no with a muffler swap you'll be fine. I was generally speaking about a lot of rules and stuff in maryland. Usually when it comes to hunting/fishing/camping, outdoors things. And a lot of emission controls in some counties/cities.

you'll be fine
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