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Old 06-24-2013, 11:57 PM
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It boils down to money. "If" the dealer does it, lift, lower, bigger tires, different exhaust, different gears, factory hi-po tuner or whatever, its OK. "If" you do same thing and something goes sour, "they" can start denying warranty. I lowered the back of my truck with springs/shocks. So NO warranty if a shock starts leaking or spring sags. "If" they wanted to be #@$%%&^'s and I had a bushing go bad in a track bar, "they" could refuse to fix because its not factory ride height and "I" caused it. All depends on dealer, what mod, and most important, how much $$$$$$$$.
Yup.....and when you do hi-po mods yourself, all bets are off. All work must be documented by the factory if they are going to foot a bill for major mechanical work......shadetree mechanics with these high tech ECU's today is taking a huge financial risk. A friend of mine, who is a Master Mechanic for Ford told me last week, the biggest red flag for warranty denial today is the aftermarket tuners......enough said.
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Old 06-25-2013, 01:22 AM
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In the defense of cliff N all the boys n girls on here that like to mod their trucks. Get over it already w/ the "it's your fault you shouldn't touch your truck leave things alone nonsense"! Yea they're expensive & yea it's a truck not a track car. But lets analyze the whole modern truck concept here. All not just dodge are guilty of sucking up to performance hungry individuals that yearn for something more, an edge over their neighbor or friend if you will. So it's human nature to modify & tinker to gain some kind of advantage in the whole truck / car game. I see how you could say it was the tuner & rams not responsible for damages incurred after the truck was toyed w/. I agree. But in the big picture if what people say is true about modifying vehicles such as our trucks then they shouldn't offer any of the following: No raptors w/ 400 plus hp, No ram runner kits for extreme off road use, No chevy SS models that beg to spin the tire & be launched down a track. No rumble bee's, No SRT versions 10 or 8 cylinder. No typhoons & no lightenings. All trucks as per those complaining about modifications should come standard w/ an inline 6cylinder for higher torque & be available in diesel or gas. No hemi's no ford 6.2 liter's & no GM 6.0 liters. Only dull boring in line 6 cylinder engines w/ high torque numbers & the occasional 4.7 or a similar small 8 cylinder that can't be tuned or touched. No lifts, no lowering & no added trailering aids like air bags just incase you put 3lbs over the limit on the truck & chrysler refuses a warranty claim. Why not just take the whole performance market & toss it into the crapper!.
the difference is the amount of R&D chrysler puts into those hp models and they warranty them. aftermarket you take your chances.
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Just for the records, I have a race car and I didn't put the tuner on the truck to make It faster.. I did all my mods for fuel milage...
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Hey Dodgeboy. Not in complete disagreement here but questioning your theory.
I too feel the tuner f'd the ecu & gave him the majority of the issues. However & I may be wrong cause A- I'm new to dodge, the hemi & ram trucks as far as ownership & knowledge. My only prior experience was w/ friends who replaced transmissions sometimes more than twice on theses trucks. Not the 2009-2012 gens but before them a lot. I fancy my self as a semi skilled mechanic home grown of sorts & all my introduction to tools & machines is courtesy of my father who was a mechanic for over 45 years. That all said these hemi's are not dry sump motors & nor do they have electronic oil pumps. The m.d.s system is computer controlled on the ignition / fuel & air side but the oil pump is old school mechanical like most any other motor. So that said I can't figure out how a ring could go dry. In four or eight cylinder mode the oil pump is functioning same same. Please explain to me I'm not being a wise ass & I too feel the tuner let him down. But w/ modern vehicles it's the only way to mod & enjoy theses toys....
The way I was thinking is... The tuner threw out bad codes and caused a misfire.. Which means the cylinder isn't fireing but I'm assuming its still getting fuel with no spark.. And to me this would mean the raw fuel would wash out that cylinder and cause the rings to wear out faster then normal. And since now it's running on all cylinders the cylinders that were "wounded" are now low on compression and burning oil. And by the way i am no mechanic I as well just dick around with cars as a hobby I got an old ramcharger I built from the ground up. And I'm not to knowledgable on all the new electronic engines.. What I was saying is just how it makes sense to me
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Clifford17, You didn't do anything wrong. The tuner started it all. If all these things are made for our trucks/cars and the part messes up, the company should stand behind their product. "Somebody" should be paying for a engine, and it isn't RAM.
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Clifford17, You didn't do anything wrong. The tuner started it all. If all these things are made for our trucks/cars and the part messes up, the company should stand behind their product. "Somebody" should be paying for a engine, and it isn't RAM.
Do you think that tuner company will take the blame? Doubt it. Cliff will need a lawyer. Its a shame if he's going through all of this for a couple of miles per gallon.......
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clifford have you been in touch with the chip company?
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That does it for me, I'm not getting a tuner now. Have you talked to Diablo Sport about their shitty tuner, and have they taken any responsibility?
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Just for the records, I have a race car and I didn't put the tuner on the truck to make It faster.. I did all my mods for fuel milage...
All your mods? Including the 93 tune? What MPG improvements have you seen?

Seriously Cliff, you would have been [much] better off leaving the whole truck OEM if fuel mileage was your only concern.

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