DODGE RAM FORUM - Ram Forums and Owners Club! - Dodge Truck Forum

Go Back   DODGE RAM FORUM - Ram Forums and Owners Club! - Dodge Truck Forum > Dodge Ram Forum - Mod Zone - Custom Dodge Ram Mods - Dodge Ram Performance > Custom Dodge Ram Interior Modifications - Custom Audio / Video


Notices

Custom Dodge Ram Interior Modifications - Custom Audio / Video All custom mods on the interior of your Dodge Ram. Dodge Ram stereo mods, alarms, electronics, shift knobs, upholstery, etc.


Latest Vendor News
AutoAnything
Addictive Desert Designs!
Bayou Goat Mounts

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #21  
Old 07-22-2013, 11:08 PM
autokraftgt autokraftgt is offline
Dodge Ram Forum Senior Member!
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: nebraska
Posts: 342
Gender: Male
Vehicle: 2011 2500
Trim Level: big horn
Color: grey
Engine: 2009-20?? 345ci (5.7L) Hemi V8 390hp 407lb/ft
Rep Power: 0
Rep:31
autokraftgt is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by IBEWSteve View Post
I think I have seen your pics on here, you've got the fox box right? I dont recall if it was ported or sealed, but do you have any vids of it now that you've got the Arcs in there?
No vids, all you'd see is a pair of subs moving... Wouldnt capture the sq lol
I had a vented fox box but have since sealed up the vents, stuffed the box with Black Hole Stuff and doubled the power. HUGE improvement!
Less output, but sounds so much better. Digs much lower.
I have a center console box as well that holds a single 12, slot vented, tuned to 30hz. Sounds even better. Ive heard a netaudio box and I firmly think they have the edge over fox... But not by much. The Blacks love 1cu/ft sealed and can take a TON of power in that config.
Im always switching subs, amps, boxes, etc... I never leave anything for long lol
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 07-23-2013, 12:09 AM
IBEWSteve IBEWSteve is offline
Dodge Ram Forum Senior Member!
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Chicago
Age: 27
Posts: 91
Gender: Male
Vehicle: 2012 Dodge Ram 1500
Trim Level: Sport
Color: Black
Engine: 2009-20?? 345ci (5.7L) Hemi V8 390hp 407lb/ft
Rep Power: 0
Rep:10
IBEWSteve is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by autokraftgt View Post
No vids, all you'd see is a pair of subs moving... Wouldnt capture the sq lol
I had a vented fox box but have since sealed up the vents, stuffed the box with Black Hole Stuff and doubled the power. HUGE improvement!
Less output, but sounds so much better. Digs much lower.
I have a center console box as well that holds a single 12, slot vented, tuned to 30hz. Sounds even better. Ive heard a netaudio box and I firmly think they have the edge over fox... But not by much. The Blacks love 1cu/ft sealed and can take a TON of power in that config.
Im always switching subs, amps, boxes, etc... I never leave anything for long lol

woooweee, i just looked up those arc audio blacks and i dont know if i can afford those things. I can wait a little while longer, but damn, those things would set me back. Is it really worth the extra 300 bucks each?

What I like about the NetAudio stuff is that they build it according to what sub(s) you are going to use and what sort of performance you're looking for. They make you feel like you could purchase any sub within reason, and they could play with all of the box factors to get you damn close to what you're expecting. Anyone can say "That is loud, or that sounds good." So, their job is to make you happy, and they sure do make it sound like they can make it happen.

I am going to look in to a couple more of the SQ subs you listed. Its frustrating because there really isnt any car audio places around me. The one I do have is some hole in the wall with no subs for me to listen to.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 07-23-2013, 05:08 AM
bstc00's Avatar
bstc00 bstc00 is offline
Dodge Ram Forum Senior Member!
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: MI
Age: 29
Posts: 712
Gender: Male
Vehicle: 2009 Ram 1500
Trim Level: Sport
Color: Inferno Red
Engine: 2009-20?? 345ci (5.7L) Hemi V8 390hp 407lb/ft
Rep Power: 4
Rep:184
bstc00 has a spectacular aura aboutbstc00 has a spectacular aura about
Default

I have never heard the ARC's but I always go with the saying it's always worth the extra money. You get what you pay for.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 07-23-2013, 10:21 AM
bolo1g2 bolo1g2 is offline
Dodge Ram Forum Senior Member!
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Washington
Age: 36
Posts: 206
Gender: Male
Vehicle: 2013 Ram 1500
Trim Level: Crew Cab Big Horn
Color: Black
Engine: 2009-20?? 345ci (5.7L) Hemi V8 390hp 407lb/ft
Rep Power: 0
Rep:19
bolo1g2 is on a distinguished road
Default

FI Audio makes a great sub as well as Sundown. You really can't go wrong with either brand.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 07-23-2013, 12:12 PM
autokraftgt autokraftgt is offline
Dodge Ram Forum Senior Member!
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: nebraska
Posts: 342
Gender: Male
Vehicle: 2011 2500
Trim Level: big horn
Color: grey
Engine: 2009-20?? 345ci (5.7L) Hemi V8 390hp 407lb/ft
Rep Power: 0
Rep:31
autokraftgt is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by IBEWSteve View Post
woooweee, i just looked up those arc audio blacks and i dont know if i can afford those things. I can wait a little while longer, but damn, those things would set me back. Is it really worth the extra 300 bucks each?

What I like about the NetAudio stuff is that they build it according to what sub(s) you are going to use and what sort of performance you're looking for. They make you feel like you could purchase any sub within reason, and they could play with all of the box factors to get you damn close to what you're expecting. Anyone can say "That is loud, or that sounds good." So, their job is to make you happy, and they sure do make it sound like they can make it happen.

I am going to look in to a couple more of the SQ subs you listed. Its frustrating because there really isnt any car audio places around me. The one I do have is some hole in the wall with no subs for me to listen to.
I've spoken with and emailed back n forth with Netaudio (who happen to be an Arc Audio dealer :>) and they know their stuff! Cant go wrong with them. If you go with 12's, sealed is your best option, period!
And yes, Arc Blacks are not cheap. And yes they're worth every penny. However, Arcs entry level line sounds good too. My favorite on my list earlier (in your budget) would probably be the Image Dynamics IDQ12. Very musical sub, and it will get loud too. They do very well in sealed enclosures at 1 cu/ft ea.
there are a lot of good sq subs that are very affordable and they all sound a little different from one another. Since you cant personally demo any of these in your area, read up on as many reviews as possible and make a decision.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 07-23-2013, 08:03 PM
nopaydave's Avatar
nopaydave nopaydave is offline
Dodge Ram Forum Senior Member!
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Boerne TX.
Age: 56
Posts: 112
Gender: Male
Vehicle: 2012 Ram 1500 4X4
Trim Level: Outdoorsman
Color: Midnight Blue
Engine: 2009-20?? 345ci (5.7L) Hemi V8 390hp 407lb/ft
Rep Power: 2
Rep:120
nopaydave will become famous soon enoughnopaydave will become famous soon enough
Default

My thoughts as I get closer to pulling the trigger on a sub...
I do not know much about car Audio but I do know a bit about Sub Speakers having been a Bass player for 20+ years and built a few of my own cabinets and been through countless speakers. In my world Size does not have that much to do with anything but appearances and filling room volume. The cabin of a truck is a very small space and a good amp should push even an 8" past what you want, unless you are trying to impress the neighborhood (or you have a crappy speaker/AMP and enclosure like the Alpine setup).

I played through a 300 watt amp and 1 15" JBL and I could rattle stuff off the walls and play along side of Marshall stacks.
Size, can have an effect on clarity and bottom end (generally speaking)smaller being clearer and larger being deeper but the higher quality of speakers these days have made that difference much less noticeable. I remember when the 18" first came out everyone was buying them. I thought they were too muddy for my taste and stayed with 15's then Peavey released the Black Widow...unthinkable...Bass players playing through a stack of 8" speakers?? Well they sounded pretty good.

My point here is it's all about acoustics and I think quality over size and/or multiple speakers will give me more bang for my buck in a very small enclosure like a truck cab unless I just want to rattle the doors off (and if the bass gets low enough and/or loud enough things will rattle). I think a good quality 10" in the right enclosure with the right amp would make more speakers pointless in a small volume truck cabin. Tell me how far this old musician is off as it pertains to Car audio?
__________________

So.....Why do they call you Nopaydave anyway?

Buy me a beer and I'll tell you....

2012 Outdoorsman, 4X4 Hemi, Rambox and Loaded with lots of extras.

Last edited by nopaydave; 07-23-2013 at 08:46 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 07-23-2013, 09:17 PM
autokraftgt autokraftgt is offline
Dodge Ram Forum Senior Member!
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: nebraska
Posts: 342
Gender: Male
Vehicle: 2011 2500
Trim Level: big horn
Color: grey
Engine: 2009-20?? 345ci (5.7L) Hemi V8 390hp 407lb/ft
Rep Power: 0
Rep:31
autokraftgt is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by nopaydave View Post
My thoughts as I get closer to pulling the trigger on a sub...
I do not know much about car Audio but I do know a bit about Sub Speakers having been a Bass player for 20+ years and built a few of my own cabinets and been through countless speakers. In my world Size does not have that much to do with anything but appearances and filling room volume. The cabin of a truck is a very small space and a good amp should push even an 8" past what you want, unless you are trying to impress the neighborhood (or you have a crappy speaker/AMP and enclosure like the Alpine setup).

I played through a 300 watt amp and 1 15" JBL and I could rattle stuff off the walls and play along side of Marshall stacks.
Size, can have an effect on clarity and bottom end (generally speaking)smaller being clearer and larger being deeper but the higher quality of speakers these days have made that difference much less noticeable. I remember when the 18" first came out everyone was buying them. I thought they were too muddy for my taste and stayed with 15's then Peavey released the Black Widow...unthinkable...Bass players playing through a stack of 8" speakers?? Well they sounded pretty good.

My point here is it's all about acoustics and I think quality over size and/or multiple speakers will give me more bang for my buck in a very small enclosure like a truck cab unless I just want to rattle the doors off (and if the bass gets low enough and/or loud enough things will rattle). I think a good quality 10" in the right enclosure with the right amp would make more speakers pointless in a small volume truck cabin. Tell me how far this old musician is off as it pertains to Car audio?
Car audio subwoofers are a completely different speaker than a Pro audio (loud speaker)
Pro audio has much higher sensitivities 92-100
Much less excursion/ xmax
Different cabin designs
And runs off 120 volts versus a measly 12 volt car voltage. Thats why car audio runs such higher watts than pro audio ..... Im sure your 300 watt bass rig was very loud!!
Also, sub bass in a vehicle typically operate in lower frequencies than pro audio bass rigs.
18hz - 80 hz is common in car audio
50-400hz is commen in bass guitar rigs. A low "E" aint very low on a bass guitar
Hell, even a low "B" isnt too low. Higher frequencies seem to listen louder to our ears. Where 22hz you can barely "hear", but rather "feel"

I agree. A good 10, with a great box, powered by good clean, strong powerful amp would be plenty for our trucks!
But more bass is more fun lol
You can always turn your bass levels down
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 07-23-2013, 10:03 PM
nopaydave's Avatar
nopaydave nopaydave is offline
Dodge Ram Forum Senior Member!
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Boerne TX.
Age: 56
Posts: 112
Gender: Male
Vehicle: 2012 Ram 1500 4X4
Trim Level: Outdoorsman
Color: Midnight Blue
Engine: 2009-20?? 345ci (5.7L) Hemi V8 390hp 407lb/ft
Rep Power: 2
Rep:120
nopaydave will become famous soon enoughnopaydave will become famous soon enough
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by autokraftgt View Post
Car audio subwoofers are a completely different speaker than a Pro audio (loud speaker)
Pro audio has much higher sensitivities 92-100
Much less excursion/ xmax
Different cabin designs
And runs off 120 volts versus a measly 12 volt car voltage. Thats why car audio runs such higher watts than pro audio ..... Im sure your 300 watt bass rig was very loud!!
Also, sub bass in a vehicle typically operate in lower frequencies than pro audio bass rigs.
18hz - 80 hz is common in car audio
50-400hz is commen in bass guitar rigs. A low "E" aint very low on a bass guitar
Hell, even a low "B" isnt too low. Higher frequencies seem to listen louder to our ears. Where 22hz you can barely "hear", but rather "feel"

I agree. A good 10, with a great box, powered by good clean, strong powerful amp would be plenty for our trucks!
But more bass is more fun lol
You can always turn your bass levels down
Thanks for the input!
__________________

So.....Why do they call you Nopaydave anyway?

Buy me a beer and I'll tell you....

2012 Outdoorsman, 4X4 Hemi, Rambox and Loaded with lots of extras.
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 07-24-2013, 04:23 PM
IBEWSteve IBEWSteve is offline
Dodge Ram Forum Senior Member!
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Chicago
Age: 27
Posts: 91
Gender: Male
Vehicle: 2012 Dodge Ram 1500
Trim Level: Sport
Color: Black
Engine: 2009-20?? 345ci (5.7L) Hemi V8 390hp 407lb/ft
Rep Power: 0
Rep:10
IBEWSteve is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by autokraftgt View Post
Car audio subwoofers are a completely different speaker than a Pro audio (loud speaker)
Pro audio has much higher sensitivities 92-100
Much less excursion/ xmax
Different cabin designs
And runs off 120 volts versus a measly 12 volt car voltage. Thats why car audio runs such higher watts than pro audio ..... Im sure your 300 watt bass rig was very loud!!
Also, sub bass in a vehicle typically operate in lower frequencies than pro audio bass rigs.
18hz - 80 hz is common in car audio
50-400hz is commen in bass guitar rigs. A low "E" aint very low on a bass guitar
Hell, even a low "B" isnt too low. Higher frequencies seem to listen louder to our ears. Where 22hz you can barely "hear", but rather "feel"

I agree. A good 10, with a great box, powered by good clean, strong powerful amp would be plenty for our trucks!
But more bass is more fun lol
You can always turn your bass levels down
I think the real selling point here is this, and you drive this home autokraftgt... "You can always turn your bass levels down."

I think if we are stuck between 10's and 12's, the difference is first off going to be with install. The 10's are much more install friendly. You don't have to mod the seats at all, although, I would since I want to put the amp behind the seat.

Next, the sound quality of the 10's is probably right on par with the 12s, but by definition, cant the 12's hit the lower tones easier?

Would going easy on 12's be better than pushing 10s harder?

I really think that since I want to install the spacers on the seat anyways, and the storage will be gone no matter, then 2 12's just seems more logical... assuming you've got the extra dough to sink in to the subs.
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 07-24-2013, 10:26 PM
nopaydave's Avatar
nopaydave nopaydave is offline
Dodge Ram Forum Senior Member!
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Boerne TX.
Age: 56
Posts: 112
Gender: Male
Vehicle: 2012 Ram 1500 4X4
Trim Level: Outdoorsman
Color: Midnight Blue
Engine: 2009-20?? 345ci (5.7L) Hemi V8 390hp 407lb/ft
Rep Power: 2
Rep:120
nopaydave will become famous soon enoughnopaydave will become famous soon enough
Default

Kraft made some good points...and in the end Steve, Music has always been about personal taste. It's really about what sounds good to you and where you want to take your system. I personally think it still all comes down to volume, acoustics and Sound Quality. A quality 400/800 watt 10" speaker is the way I'm leaning.

I found this cruising the net...
"The acoustics of your vehicle also influence bass response. The small interior size of most cars and trucks boosts low frequencies dramatically. You will need to use a smaller enclosure then normal to achieve a flat bass response. As a rule, below 50Hz (depending on cabin size), bass response increases at about 12dB per octave as the frequency decreases. This "Cabin Gain" adds significant bass output to the subwoofer system."
__________________

So.....Why do they call you Nopaydave anyway?

Buy me a beer and I'll tell you....

2012 Outdoorsman, 4X4 Hemi, Rambox and Loaded with lots of extras.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
audio install, sa 10, sa 8, subwoofer, sundown

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


Advertisement






All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:13 PM.


= Copyright RamForumZ.com a Gigathreads.com Network Site =Ad Management by RedTyger
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
vB.Sponsors


=Gigathreads Network=
CLUBS MOPAR NATION DSM GPMM MAMM JAM
DIESEL Diesel Forum      
CHEVY Chevy Camaro Forum Chevy Volt Forum    
CHRYSLER Chrysler 300C Forum      
DODGE Dodge Avenger Forum Dodge Caliber Forum Dodge Challenger Forum Dodge Charger Forum
  Dodge Circuit Forum Dodge Hornet Forum Dodge Magnum Forum Dodge Nitro Forum
  Dodge Ram Forum Dodge Dakota Forum Dodge Durango Forum Dodge Dart Forum
FORD Ford Raptor Forum Ford F150 Forum Ford F100 Forum  
JEEP Jeep Forum      
PONTIAC Pontiac G8 Forum      
SRT SRT Viper Forum SRT Cuda Forum