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So, my two cents in a nutshell:

1) Yes engine oil does last longer in our trucks. Synthetic lasts a lot longer.

2) The company/entity (other than the actual truck owner) who has the LARGEST vested interest in your truck lasting the longest is Chrysler. They recommend NOT exceeding 1 year or 10,000 miles. Oh, and they are the manufacturer.

3) Chrysler (See above) installed the oil life span computer. Pretty sure they wouldn't set the computer up to sabotage the engine. Yes...I know Chrysler has done dumb shit in the past but come on!

4) So, logically speaking, follow the oil life computer AS LONG AS it doesn't exceed 1 year OR 10,000 miles.

5) Yup. You are going to do whatever the hell you want anyway. Just fess up that you want to do it and not that you need to do it.


On a side note ValleyRacer. I am a Chef at a local restaurant. Guess who was in for lunch today? Al Amatuzio, founder and CEO of AMSOIL. Small world.
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LIttle Dodge NEON engine, synthetic oil changes every 8K miles - original engine.

Where did you come up with the magic number of 6k? And what data do you support that 6K number with?
There is no scientific data, as I stated it's my opinion, how ever I do agree new engines do run cleaner but when you look at motor oil what have they changed ? yes new engines extend the service time of oil , yes oil filters have come a long way in their capabilities of filtering, but what has oil done lately ?? other than go up in price you never see an oil commercial saying hey our additives to maintain viscosity, cleaning agents, anti-wear are new and improved to surpass standards that were out there when we use to change oil like clock work at 3100 miles. Yes I believe the lubricating factor of oil especially syn will go the distance of 10K miles but don't believe that the additives will.
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Besides the tremendous amount of data supporting the benefits of synthetic oil, a conversation with a medivac helicopter mechanic added icing on the cake for me. I asked how often they change the oil and he said we use synthetic and only change it when the engine is rebuilt. In between, oil is added as needed and they do an analysis.
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Besides the tremendous amount of data supporting the benefits of synthetic oil, a conversation with a medivac helicopter mechanic added icing on the cake for me. I asked how often they change the oil and he said we use synthetic and only change it when the engine is rebuilt. In between, oil is added as needed and they do an analysis.
YUP our acft mechanics as well never change the syn on engines they just top it off due to burn off so its always fresh in there.
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Has anyone put synthetic in their new RAM w/ pentastar engine? Manual states to use conv oil, but I imagine snythetic would not cause any issues. Any opinions or actual results with using synthetic???
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Has anyone put synthetic in their new RAM w/ pentastar engine? Manual states to use conv oil, but I imagine snythetic would not cause any issues. Any opinions or actual results with using synthetic???

Where do you see the recommendation for conventional oil. My manual states:

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We recommend you use API certified 5W-20 engine oil, meeting the requirements of Chrysler Material Standard MS-6395. Refer to you oil filler cap for correct SAE grade.
Nothing about not using synthetic or only using conventional. I found this on the Mobile 1 site:

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Mobil 1 5W-20 and Chrysler MS-6395
Why is your Mobil 1 5W-20 not Chrysler MS-6395 spec approved? Or if it is, why is the certification not on the bottle or website?
-- Josh Eads, Cabot, AR
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Chrysler’s latest revision to the MS-6395 specification calls for a field trial spanning multiple seasons over two years. While we fully expect the exceptional performance of Mobil 1 synthetic motor oil to meet Chrysler’s specification requirements, at this time we are in the process of evaluating our timeline to start this testing.
It is probably the cost and time that keeps oil manufacturers from "meeting" this standard.

Here is a spec sheet for Valvoline oils showing that they meet the Chrysler standard.
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PlumCrazy before you enjoy condemning people - try AMSOIL oil/filter once or twice.

The oil is so far more robust and stout than the thin little pittle stuff in the typical experience - you'll change your tune if you try it.

The filters are HEAVY and effective. They keep the oil CLEAN,.

Do you think the MILLIONS of people that use AMSOIL are idiots?
Well I am not condemning anyone, I am merely stating fact, and I never called anyone an idiot, so you can stop putting words in my mouth.

Again if you go 25000 miles between filter and fluid changes then you are asking for trouble and I don't care what brand oil or filter you use.
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Where do you see the recommendation for conventional oil. My manual states:



Nothing about not using synthetic or only using conventional. I found this on the Mobile 1 site:

It is probably the cost and time that keeps oil manufacturers from "meeting" this standard.

Here is a spec sheet for Valvoline oils showing that they meet the Chrysler standard.

I heard the reason Mobil1 doesnt meet the standard is cause when Chrysler went into Bankruptcy Exxon was a creditor and didnt want to play ball so Chrysler turned around and says fine your oil isnt good enough for our vehicles anymore.
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Pennzoil platinum and ultra are both synthetics that meet Chrysler's requirement. I use PP and so far my engine is smooth and quiet.
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My '09 5.7L Ram Owners Manual reads
3,000 miles, but they are referring to Conventional 5w 20 Motor Oil
i use Synthetic 5w 20 & i like to run it to 5,000 miles

If you look at the year or 2 newer Dodge 5.7L manual, (identical engine), it reads 5,000 or 6,000 miles between changes, again that is for Conventional Oil

Now the 2013s say to use the same oil & i believe it reads 8,000 miles between changes & it is still the same engine block

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they don't use Automotive Engine Oil, it has too many or the wrong additives
when a Aircraft Engine fails for any reason, they can't just pull over to the side of the road & call a tow service

our auto motor oil would make the Carbon Deposits GLOW & cause pre_ignition & premature wear

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These additives are designed to help prevent carbon deposits in the combustion chambers that will glow under normal operation.

That's the ashless part.
The dispersant are the detergents, that help suspend contaminants in the oil, so they may be swept out at oil change time.

It is my understanding that extended use of automotive oils in A/C engines may cause a build up of carbon deposits in the combustion chambers that are prone to glowing under heat, like a glow plug.

These glowing embers will help pre-ignition of the intake charge, and detonation symptoms may set in because of it.

Av-oils will also leave carbon deposits, but they are less prone to glowing, and less likely to cause detonation.
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