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Old 06-10-2014, 11:15 AM
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Oil related engine failures are very,very rare. Use oil that meets recommendations and change as recommended and your engine will last as long as you need it to. We have a fleet of vehicles at work that have the engine oil changed every 10,000km with regular oils. We keep them until 300,000 km. Never a oil related failure for the last 20+ years.
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Old 06-10-2014, 11:47 AM
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The big deal over oil is really a none issue at all. The latest rating of SN just removed more of the good stuff from the oil in the name of making the catalytic converter live longer.

The kicker is there is no real evidence that the older oils with the ZDDP and other additives that protect engines so well really were a problem with catalytic converters.

Now the real dilemma is which is less expensive to replace down the road, an engine or a catalytic converter? Clearly I would rather replace my catalytic converter at 80,000 or 90,000 miles rather than have to rebuild a worn out engine because todays oils don't lubricate as well as they used to.

Face it automobile companies need to sell vehicles to make money, selling you a vehicle that lasted 200,000 miles was of no benefit to them.

I will be using Redline 5w-20 in my Ram Pentastar V-6 and it is in the crank case right now as I changed at the 1,500 mile mark.

My Mazda will now use Royal Purple HPS 5w-20. Neither oil meets the current SN spec due to ZDDP and other additives that are good for engines but supposedly bad for catalytic converters.

Now knowing that the likely hood of ever having an oil caused failure is probably over a billion to one I just don't see the need to use todays oil that provide less protection.
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One more thing about todays oil, if you put SM or SN rated oil into an older engine with flat tappets for the cam you will quickly wear out the cam and flat tappets because the new SM and SN rated oils have removed almost all the good additives that protect engines so well.

Put the older rated oils before SM and SN came out in a newer engine and the engine will run just fine and actually be better protected.

Again these new ratings and oils are for the catalytic converters and it is still debatable if the older oils really were a problem with a catalytic converter in the first place as the older rated oils had been used for decades with catalytic converters without problems.

The truth is this is nothing more than our government at work making things worse as is the norm for them.
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I have used Rotella Full Synthetic for years in my cars/bikes/trucks/even lawn mower................... = no issues. Plus you can buy it by the gallon at Wally-world.
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Oil related engine failures are very,very rare. Use oil that meets recommendations and change as recommended and your engine will last as long as you need it to. We have a fleet of vehicles at work that have the engine oil changed every 10,000km with regular oils. We keep them until 300,000 km. Never a oil related failure for the last 20+ years.
In reality you make a good point and it is true. The oils and filters have improved so much over the years, the likely only oil related failures are from not changing the oil and filter, letting the oil level drop significantly to none and using the wrong weight.

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Pennzoil ultra platinum is a much pure oil. This is what I will use on my next oil change. I use quaker full synthetic and it runs pretty well.
Quaker and penzoil are the same company just branded differently
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[QUOTE=RangerGress;1428000]Pennzoil Platinum is well respected, but you might go up one notch in viscosity. US OEMs generally spec oil a bit too thin because of CAFE standards.

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You need to be careful with going up a notch in viscosity I think, while I understand the theory behind it lets not forget there is a reason Ram says to use 5w 20 oil in our trucks.

It has to do with the MDS system that shuts off cylinders during periods of light or low load, I have head if you use the wrong viscosity oil that system may not work properly.

It's a hydraulic valve lifting system and if you have any knowledge of hydraulics the oil is critical to the proper operation of the system.

I wouldn't mess with the viscosity of the oil.
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The big deal over oil is really a none issue at all. The latest rating of SN just removed more of the good stuff from the oil in the name of making the catalytic converter live longer.

The kicker is there is no real evidence that the older oils with the ZDDP and other additives that protect engines so well really were a problem with catalytic converters.

Now the real dilemma is which is less expensive to replace down the road, an engine or a catalytic converter? Clearly I would rather replace my catalytic converter at 80,000 or 90,000 miles rather than have to rebuild a worn out engine because todays oils don't lubricate as well as they used to.

Face it automobile companies need to sell vehicles to make money, selling you a vehicle that lasted 200,000 miles was of no benefit to them.

I will be using Redline 5w-20 in my Ram Pentastar V-6 and it is in the crank case right now as I changed at the 1,500 mile mark.

My Mazda will now use Royal Purple HPS 5w-20. Neither oil meets the current SN spec due to ZDDP and other additives that are good for engines but supposedly bad for catalytic converters.

Now knowing that the likely hood of ever having an oil caused failure is probably over a billion to one I just don't see the need to use todays oil that provide less protection.

I'm a believer in Redline too
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Old 07-10-2015, 12:50 AM
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Default Redline oils - California brainchild?

According to one test - WHICH I POST HERE FOR FORUM "chatter" - gives an opinion of Redline oils - expensive nowadays.

OMFG - photobucket is down

The PDF I want to post shows redline leaving a nasty gouge in the Falex test bearing compared to even far less expensive oils.
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