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Old 07-18-2011, 03:09 PM
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I read a thread not long ago where someone asked if you could fold the rear seats forward as well as up on the 2011 models. The answer was that in the 2009 - 10 models you could flip the hook that the seat latches on-to upside down. However, the 11 models don't allow you to change the hook. They are welded into place.

This weekend I installed two amps and LOC on the back wall of my 2011 1500, and installed a Fox Acoutics sub box for 10". The sub box came with a set of 1/2" spacers to lift the rear seats up. After doing this, I am able to fold my rear seats forward giving me easy access to the back.

I thought I would pass that on for others who might be curious.
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LOC == Line Output Converter??

I'm interested in this as well. I plowed with my '98, and intend on doing that (with a lighter-duty plow) on my '11. One of the things I DON'T like about the new one is those big honkin' headrests back there. Rear visibility is WAY worse on the '11 just because of those things.

It would be awesome to be able to just fold the seats down when you want to do something that requires lots of Fwd and Bk maneuvering.

I'm also interested, though, in the legality and safety aspect. Is there any way you can tell how positive the hook is? When anyone IS sitting back there, it's MY KIDS after all! Wouldn't want to jeapardize them just to see a little better.
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LOC is for Line Out Converter. I'm using an Audio Control LC8i device to sum all the channels and send them to the new amps. Knowing what I know now, I would do it over again. I would get the Pac Audio LOC and run the RCA cables back to a Audio Control cross-over. Then plug the amps into it. The LC8i is functioning as described, but way more complicated than what I was looking for.

If you noticed in the picture, I have a car seat back there for my 3 year old. There is no way I would do this if it was dangerous to him.

When the seat is back down in it's normal state, the hooks on the back of the seat fasion over the latches attached to the back wall. It's only when the seat is in the fold position (picture number 1) where the hook is over the latch which then and only then can the seat come forward.

The spacers are nothing more than MDF wood. I do have a correction and that is it looks like it's 1 inch thick and not 1/2 inch thick like I mentioned earlier.

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That's very useful information, and the ability to fold the seat is great!
I question whether it's legal though. Does anybody know if it would be illegal to do this modification?
I'd hate to see the seat be able to flip forward in a crash, especially when there is a passenger sitting in the seat! Insurance companies would have a hay-day with this one.

I'd like to do the mod...if it's safe and legal to do so.
From what the op posted it doesn't sound like it can flip forward if someone is sitting in the seat. You need to flip the bottom seat up for the seat back to become disengaged.
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That is correct.
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From what I am gathering through reading this. Couldn't someone just shorten the hooks by an inch, rather than raising the seats an inch. I completely understand why the OP raised the seat, but those of us just wanting folding seats don't need them raised, as that will increase seat height, decrease headroom, decrease rear window visibility. Couldn't you just shorten the latches?
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The latchs on the back wall is welded in place, so you can't just remove them and fasten them lower. You could cut down the hooks on the back seat, but I personally wouldn't do that.

The only reason I raised the back seat was for the new sub box to fit under it.
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Looks great!
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From what the op posted it doesn't sound like it can flip forward if someone is sitting in the seat. You need to flip the bottom seat up for the seat back to become disengaged.
I totally agree but I'm just looking at it from a legal point of view. By altering the installation of the seat (even with a washer) you have effectively "altered" the construction/installation of a factory part. Even though the seat couldn't come forward in a collision, I'd have to assume an insurance adjuster would try his/her hardest to win the case against the owner/driver of the truck.

I like what he did...just wondering if altering the installation has any bearing from a legal stand-point.

As for taking away headroom - I think that would be minimal (if even noticeable).
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Cutting the latch down is more likely safer than raising the seat.

If I fully understand what is happening here (I haven't taken my truck apart) there is a finger on the back of the seat about 2" long that hooks over a rod on the back wall of the truck. When you lift up the seat bottom the back also lifts about 1", normally you are moving to the middle of the 2" long bracket. Now when space the seat up an inch, then you lift the seat bottom, which raises the back, you now can just clear the finger.
The weakness comes from adding an inch of leverage on the finger, which normally is going to have no leverage. So you would be running a greater risk of straightening out or breaking the back that in the OEM configuration. Where is stock position, but cut down the leverage would not change.
The reality is, if the passengers are wearing their seat belts, they are attach the cab, not the seat. So a properly restrained occupant is at no greater risk than originally.
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