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Old 01-27-2012, 07:27 PM
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Hi folks,

Just had a few questions for the experts here. I have a 2012 1500 Crew 4x4 with 3.92 gears. I beleive my Max Trailer Tow is 9800 pounds and GCWR is 15,500.

I'm currently researching a mid sized travel trailer to purchase, something with a dry weight between 5000 and 6000, and fully loaded under 8000. I'm hoping with a proper Weight Distribution Hitch and sway bars the Ram will pull this like a champ. According to a bunch of forum posts this should be the case.

What I can't seem to really narrow down is related to tires and lifting. I would really like to level the front of my truck and get some larger tires on. I know I will want to go with something more aggressive and with stronger ply then the stock Goodyears, either 8 ply or 10 ply; any good choices out there?

Does anyone have a leveled or lifted truck with some larger tires and also does some towing occasionally? I am concerned with rear squatting issues, do airbags help quite a bit?

Sorry for the long post, just looking for some help doing my research. I want my truck to look good with the level and the bigger tires, but not at the sacrifice of safety or functionality when towing.
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I hooked my toy hauler up last night (empty with nothing on the front deck) and did a measurement of the squat. The truck squatted 1 inch. My Trailer is 5300 lbs empty with a tongue weight of 380 lbs empty. I'm sure with it loaded it will squat down another 1-1/2" which would make the truck sit level. I know On my 07 chevy with the leveling kit on the front the truck squatted 2 1/2". Once you put a leveling kit on the rear will be squatted lower than the front. without a leveling kit the trailer tongue weight will level the truck. I agree with the tires. Trucks are designed to pull 10000lbs but who does that with 4 ply tires? Silly Manufactures.
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Do you use a weight distribution hitch?
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Hi BDG,

I have a 2011 Hemi Quad Cab Outdoorsman with 3.92 gears and I pull a 21 ft. Travel Trailer with it. Trailer weights 5ooo Lbs. empty and loaded must be close to 6000 Lbs.. When hooked up the rear of my truck does sag noticeably and I use a load distribution hitch (you must use one with these weights) and do my best to distribute the weight in the trailer. I towed this same trailer with my previous 2003 Hemi Quad Cab Ram and had no problems with the rear squatting - it had leaf springs though. I did end up putting Firestone Ride Rite Air Bags on the rear of the 2003 after about 6 years towing as it was starting to sag. In my opinion the coil spring set-up on these 4th Gen trucks is the reason for the sag as they give up some towing/carrying ability for a much nicer ride. I will soon be putting Firestone Air Bags on the rear of my 2011 and should have no problems with sagging as I know they work well. I am also wanting to put a front Levelling Kit on the 2011 but that will happen after the air bags. Hope this helps!
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Hi BDG,

I think I have your answers. I have a 2010 Ram 1500 Sport CC 4X4 with 3.55's. a rough country levelling kit and 305/55R20 BFG Mud Terrain Tires.

I was hauling a modified flat deck trailer with a tent trailer mounted on the front which would squat my truck 2.5" so I installed the airlift 1000 air bags. Pretty cheap option at ~$100 and install you can do in a couple hours yourself.

I now haul a Forest River Cherokee Wolfpack 18dfwp which is an 18' trailer with an 8' deck on front as my toy hauler. The unit is 30.3' tongue to rear bumper and is 5200lbs dry with 502lb tongue weight. The trailer has the deck in front of both axles so when you put ATV's or bikes on the deck more weight is transferred to the hitch vs over the axles. I put my CanAm Outlander and Honda 420 on the deck ~1200lbs and with my weight distribution hitch and airbags pumped up I only was sagging 0.5" with the front at an increase of 0.5". Without the bags I was sagging 2.5" and pushed the front up the same.

This may be a little much but you can look at me as the worst case scenario. Just get the air bags and you will be fine with level and bigger tires.
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I have a set of bilstein 5100 set at max and the top gun customs rear progressive rate rear 2 inch coils. I have not bought tires yet stock goodyears. When I have my 4 place snowmobile trailer and 4 sleds wet that's close to 3000 lbs. I do not know how much the trailer weighs. Add on 4 adults 2 of them 350 lbs and say 1000 lbs of gear that's close to 2000 lbs so truck trailer sleds and people so say 6000 lbs. my truck sits prety close to level with a tiny bit of rake still. I have a pic I have to upload it later. And I feel as though the truck rides better then before the lift and seems to track better when pulling.
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First and foremost, Allow me to introduce myself. My name is Josh and I have ALOT (I do mean alot) of experience towing and hauling heavy loads. Having been in the army, and on 3 combat tours, for the better part of a decade now, I have seen and driven just about everything there is to drive, from tanks, to wreckers, to Route Clearance Vehicles, to pickup trucks. As a Recovery Specialist I have also towed some EXTREMELY heavy loads.

If you are towing a trailer (which you can do just fine), you will likely notice something profound almost as soon as you set your trailer on your hitch. Your truck will go from raked (the front end lower than the rear), to squatting. Your coil springs will collapse under the weight, and while that does not pose a problem to your truck immediately, it can, over time. Towing a load as heavy as this with the 4th gen Ram requires some additional help, due to the smooth riding coil spring Multi-Link rear suspension. Coils were put in the ram because they ride smoother, but they are your worst enemy when towing/hauling heavy. Thats where the good folks at Total Load Control Suspensions come in. TLC will not only hook you up with great customer service, but Ramforumz members even get discounted pricing on their kits. This system is designed and patented specifically for 2009+ Ram 1500's. It will work in conjuction with your coil springs to improve load handling, reduce wear and tear on your coil springs, and even helps with unladen ride comfort and stability.

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As per the manufacturer .. your max trailer rating is 9100 lbs and 14000 lbs. Im not pulling these numbers out of a hat. Send me a pm with your email and I will send over the doc I grabbed from the Ram site. Ill also prompt the moderators to create a sticky. I also have a towing calculator written in an older version of Excel.

If you go 8k wet, you will exceed just about every spec.

That would mean that you are adding 800 to 1200 lbs on the truck - payload and your truck (and mine) is only rated for a payload of 1493 lbs.

Before you make any decisions. I think you should do some reading on the Ram Truck site .. look for towing and it explains all the weights and limits. Then go to trailerlife.com and do the same type of reading.

rv.net is also a good source of information.

Im not trying to start a load of junk ... and with all due respect to my fellow vet, we are not talking about military vehicles.

The truck can probably do it without the mods your talking about. But you WILL be working that tow vehicle.


Edited ... sorry I do need to correct myself. The OP is correct I was looking at the wrong line on the table ... GCVW 15500 MAX trailer weight 10,150 and payload 1633. So, you'd actually have 800 lbs left for addition payload.

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