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Well some of y'all may have read my other posts but I've been thinking about joining for the past few years. I just started my first year of college and I feel like I am wasting my time here. I had lunch with my mom the other day and I dropped the bomb on her. I talked to her for a while and now she realizes I am very serious about joining. I know it is definitely what I want to do, it's just a matter of when. My parents are against it, but it is my life and I respect their opinion, but ultimately it is my decision. My mom said she wanted me to type up a document about what I want to do, why I want to join etc... Pros and cons.

I just wanted you guys to check out what I have for her so far. Anything y'all think I should add or take out. Or even if anyone has opinions on what I should do and shit....

Here is what I have.

Benefits
• All Air Force members receive regular pay increases based on their rank and duration of time-in-service. They also receive a yearly cost-of-living increase, a yearly clothing allowance, a monthly food allowance, and will be eligible for tax-free housing. If your son or daughter becomes a healthcare professional, they may receive special incentive pay, substantial annual bonuses, as well as continued educational opportunities.
• The Air Force offers great healthcare benefits at competitive insurance rates
• If I stick with being an Air Traffic Controller I will get FAA certified while in school through the Air Force and I will receive a college degree in Airway Science. With a degree in Airway Science I could also get a job in these fields of work….
o Per FAA…. “These fields (and the career or work area which individuals will be qualified for) include: science management (air traffic control specialist, air carrier manager, airport manager, general aviation operations manager); airway computer science (flight, navigation, communications, information processing); aircraft systems management (aviation safety inspector, professional pilot, flight operations manager); airway electronics systems (troubleshooting, maintenance, testing, development, electronics); and aviation maintenance management (maintenance, troubleshooting, aviation safety inspector). A list of colleges and universities participating in the Airway Science curriculum is provided.”

Air Traffic Controller
After eight-and-a-half weeks of Basic Military Training, every Airman goes to technical training to learn their career. Here's the basic information about Air Traffic Control Operations technical training:
School location: Keesler AFB [MS]
Length of course: 72 days
College degree earned: Airway Science
College credits earned: 28
“Similar as with electronics, there is also a demand for communication experts in the Air Force. Areas such as linguistics, air traffic control, and telecommunications can help to ensure that pilots stay in touch with ground crews and are able to carry out commands exactly as ordered.”



Deployment
As of September 15, 2004, the length of Air Force deployment has been changed. It ranges from four, six or 12 months depending on the Airman's specific job, location and mission requirements.
So if I were to be deployed it would be for short periods of time.

Education
Those who enlist in the Air Force are automatically enrolled in the Community College of the Air Force, America's largest community college. They can choose from five areas of specialty to work toward their associate's degree.
Airmen can also receive financial aid through the Air Force Tuition Assistance program, the Montgomery GI Bill and the College Loan Repayment Program.



Basic Training
8 and a half weeks at Lackland AFB Lots of info here http://www.baseops.net/basictraining/airforce.html
AIT- 10 weeks So I would be gone for 4 and a half months or so.

Pros
• Being able to serve my country.
• If I were to be deployed there are shorter deployments.
• Everyone I talked to said the Air Force has the best quality of life(better housing, job satisfaction etc.) compared to the other branches.
• The Air Force offers the most time off which gives time for school or work.
• Air Force jobs are more technical which give them smaller chances of seeing combat.
• Everyday discounts from being in the armed forces, restaurants, hotels, plane tickers, car dealerships etc.
• Medical care, free career training, GI bill.
• Air Traffic Controllers are in demand in the AF
• It is like a brotherhood and that is something I miss about not being at Holy Cross… and I aint talkin no frat boy bullshit brotherhood.

Cons
• If I don’t like it I a stuck with it.
• You are not always guaranteed your job or where you will be stationed.
• Possibility of being deployed.
• Being away from my family and my home.
• If I were to take the fixed wing pilot route I would be gone longer… 12 weeks of officer school, but officers get paid more.


Thanks guys... I cant wait to rock that armed forces badge on the ForumZ!
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Big decision! best of luck bud just do what you want with your life, don't let others decide for you
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Thanks man. I plan on it!
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You seem to have done your homework. The benefits outweigh the cons. Serving your country is a very honorable thing to do. If you don't mind I am going to steal part of this for my daughter who I am encouraging to enlist. She is currently looking at the Navy because of her recently pass on grandfather on her mothers side who was in the Navy and Coast guard. Plus my father was in the Navy also. Follow your heart. Whatever you decide best of luck.
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You seem to have done your homework. The benefits outweigh the cons. Serving your country is a very honorable thing to do. If you don't mind I am going to steal part of this for my daughter who I am encouraging to enlist. She is currently looking at the Navy because of her recently pass on grandfather on her mothers side who was in the Navy and Coast guard. Plus my father was in the Navy also. Follow your heart. Whatever you decide best of luck.
Thanks man! And yeah go ahead hahah. I'm just trying to have the most information possible to show my parents it is really what is best for me. The whole situation would be a lot better if they were on my side haha.

Being a kid, I have some advice for you and your daughter. Don't try to push it on her. My dad always tried to push different careers on me and it just pissed me off. But I don't know y'alls relationship and I aint no dad so you do you.
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Thanks man! And yeah go ahead hahah. I'm just trying to have the most information possible to show my parents it is really what is best for me. The whole situation would be a lot better if they were on my side haha.

Being a kid, I have some advice for you and your daughter. Don't try to push it on her. My dad always tried to push different careers on me and it just pissed me off. But I don't know y'alls relationship and I aint no dad so you do you.

She is open to it although it depends on what mood she is in. She is 16 and has changed her mind on what she wants to do 4 or 5 times so far, which I expect. Not pushing her at all just dropping hints and encouraging her.
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I would guess the reason they don't want you to enlist is probably because any time a parent hear their kids joining the army they think they will be doing things like you see in saving private ryan and what not haha i don't know what its actually like or what you will be doing but I'm guessing your average day won't be spent on juno beach lol. My mom was initially against it a bit when I said i wanted to be a police officer, but she warmed up to it a bit now (she still doesn't prefer it though)
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I would guess the reason they don't want you to enlist is probably because any time a parent hear their kids joining the army they think they will be doing things like you see in saving private ryan and what not haha i don't know what its actually like or what you will be doing but I'm guessing your average day won't be spent on juno beach lol. My mom was initially against it a bit when I said i wanted to be a police officer, but she warmed up to it a bit now (she still doesn't prefer it though)
Yeah my mom said "i dont wanna bury my own son"

I'm not gunna be in special forces and I'm not in infantry so I shouldn't have a high risk of dying.
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I know that the Air Force is different from the other branches of military
In the Army, Marines, & Navy, they tell you all kinds of BS
They tell you that you can do whatever field that you choose
I wanted to be an AIRDALE, which means dealing with aircraft
I really wanted to be a plane mechanic
They needed people to push bombs around & assemble them
so i work with mechanical stuff that was strapped to planes
So much for doing what you want to do in the military

What you need to do, is to decide what you want to do AFTER you get out of the military, whether you plan to spend 4 years or 20.
Do you want to fly planes ? reciprocating or jet engine? stay in college a while longer & take courses that will help you get a pilots license, go to flight training courses at your local airport
Maybe join the Air Force Reserve, continue with college & go to flight training courses, get paid while you learn

If you plan on a different field, again you could join the Reserves, you could again continue with college, or get a job with the goal in mind for what you believe that you want to do

No matter which route you choose, your reserve time counts towards your military time, you can go Active Duty when you want to. You can go to the Air Force recruiter & ask them questions & you don't have to commit yourself one way or the other
If your Dad or Uncle was in the military, ask them to go with you to talk to the recruiter
Remember one thing, until you sign the Official paperwork & raise your right hand, you are not committed to do anything, once you raise your right hand & swear to serve your country, you can't just walk out the door, the Military owns you, you are bound by the UCMJ or whatever they call it now

I went into the NAVY & for the most part, i enjoyed it, except all i saw was the aircraft carrier that i was assigned to, once in a while we were in a Port for a couple weeks & then back out to sea for several months. My job skills are bombs, missiles, rockets, aircraft guns & ammo, & fire bombs ( Napalm ), not a lot of demand for those skills in civilian life

My Cousin went into the AIR FORCE & most of the time he was in Special Services, mowing golf courses, maintaining swimming pools, etc. He was in quite a few places in the USA, then he went to Germany & Korea
He went off base every night & enjoyed the town
After the Air Force he went into Computer Sciences & does well in life

Choose your goal in life & school yourself towards that goal

Good Luck

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Military service also allows you to use the G.I. Bill
loans, college, points on tests to apply for a government job, etc.
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Hello, I thank you for intrest and plans to join, all branches are great and everybody has a different story, me and my Brother went over seas at different times and had totaly different experiences. No matter what you do or where you go you will always be a "VETERAN" and are what has built and continue to keep us who we are. You might get "stuck" somewhere you don't like, but you wouldn't be the first. 90% of the people who talk it down never served, if you never have been there, you have No idea what it is. Carry on my Friend!
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