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Keep in mind any leveling kit once it gets to a certain lifting point will create vibration in 4wd from a stop to fast acceleration. That being said, who drives like that.
If going with Bilsteins, I would set them to 2.1 rather than maxing them to minimize this.
Agreed! And that's what I plan to do.

For further evidence, I had a 2.5" level on my Ram for 40,000 miles...when in 4wd it did have vibration but wasn't terrible (death wobble? not really...) but around this mileage my ball joints completely failed as did my tie rod ends...replaced most of the front end and cost a fortune...and swapped to a 2" level spacer...4wd vibration barely detectible (hard to tell if its bumpy offroad OR the truck or a bit of both but it's less than before for sure) and my front end is finishing another 40,000 miles and took a look this weekend...all still look good and tie rod ends...ehhh can go another 20,000 miles if I keep em properly greased.
So - I would agree and say NOT to do the 2.8" setting...but to go with the 2.1" from my experience.
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If any of you have had true death wobble, the 4wd vibration is NOT death wobble.

Death wobble is when the truck hits a bump, etc and the whole front end shakes VIOLENTLY. You lose control of the steering wheel and must pull over to regain control. Death wobble is known to happen on SFA not IFS. I had it in my 03 2500. I have never heard of the death wobble in an IFS and honestly don't know how it'd be possible.

So for those concerned, the 4wd vibration is not death wobble by any means. However, it will wear out your front end quicker. Changing any of the angles whether it be with a leveling kit, lift kit, etc will of course put more strain and wear on the front end components. Pay to play.

It might be possible to have death wobble on IFS, I guess... But I have never seen or heard of it.


I ran 35x12.50x17 BFG KM2 on my 06 Mega Cab 1500 on a 2.5" level and had minor rubbing at full lock on incline. It is important to note that the 1500 Mega Cab has SFA and sat a tad bit higher.
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Appreciate it man. Its been bugging me seeing it all over the forum. After experiencing it myself and working for Chrysler I have seen and studied it from one side to another. Just don't want people getting all nervous they'll get death wobble from a 2" level on an IFS... Just trying to enlighten
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with this new knowledge of staying at 2.1 shoul i rethink my tire size?

i looked around a bit

maybe a BFG AT 285/65? (34.5")

any suggestions?

or maybe find a 34"?

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I am planning on doing the same once my ordered 2013 comes in...post some photos up if you don't mind once done.

Also - from what I have seen MOST of the manuf of the 2" leveling kits say you can run a 35" tire fine...so I would think with the Bilstein 5100 setup at 2.1" you would also be ok with a 35.

The BFG AT is a great tire, the 285/65/20 is 11.5" wide so *might* not need a wheel spacer or offset wheel - should be able to just put em on stock 20x9s and go. Which is why I am considering them...wider than stock but not too wide to where I need a spacer. Height according to the BFG site is 34.7" - so thinking the stocker is 33" tall, makes this one 1.7" taller so .85" closer to the fender...again should be ok under 2" - not sure what the height difference is but my 07 has only 2" level and have had 35s on it for 5 years. A TRUE 35" tire (Toyo MT 35x12.50) rubbed pretty bad near lock on both sides and also the side wall would rub in the rear when turning onto an incline and truck flexed a bit even with 1/4" wheel spacers on the stock 20s. BUT since then I have ran 2 sets of Toyo ATs that are 34.5" tall and love them! Full lock with some compression may get a LITTLE rub but no big deal. But these DO need 1/4" wheel spacers or I think -12 offset wheel to fit.
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Agreed! And that's what I plan to do.

For further evidence, I had a 2.5" level on my Ram for 40,000 miles...when in 4wd it did have vibration but wasn't terrible (death wobble? not really...) but around this mileage my ball joints completely failed as did my tie rod ends...replaced most of the front end and cost a fortune...and swapped to a 2" level spacer...4wd vibration barely detectible (hard to tell if its bumpy offroad OR the truck or a bit of both but it's less than before for sure) and my front end is finishing another 40,000 miles and took a look this weekend...all still look good and tie rod ends...ehhh can go another 20,000 miles if I keep em properly greased.
So - I would agree and say NOT to do the 2.8" setting...but to go with the 2.1" from my experience.

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If you are going with 2.1 setting, then def consider 285/65/20 or 295/60/20.
Full 35's will rub even with the right offset rim which is +1 or 0 offset
285's will fit on your stock rim without a spacer. A member here named Rayne did use the BFG 285 tire on stock wheels which are 9" wide and it looked good.
10" it will look kinda funny
295/50/20 require a 1/4 spacer which isn't a huge thing

35's require minimum 2.5" of level to be cleared and again proper offset
You can fit a -12 or -24 but be prepared for some trimming and bending.
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If any of you have had true death wobble, the 4wd vibration is NOT death wobble.

Death wobble is when the truck hits a bump, etc and the whole front end shakes VIOLENTLY. You lose control of the steering wheel and must pull over to regain control. Death wobble is known to happen on SFA not IFS. I had it in my 03 2500. I have never heard of the death wobble in an IFS and honestly don't know how it'd be possible.

So for those concerned, the 4wd vibration is not death wobble by any means. However, it will wear out your front end quicker. Changing any of the angles whether it be with a leveling kit, lift kit, etc will of course put more strain and wear on the front end components. Pay to play.

It might be possible to have death wobble on IFS, I guess... But I have never seen or heard of it.


I ran 35x12.50x17 BFG KM2 on my 06 Mega Cab 1500 on a 2.5" level and had minor rubbing at full lock on incline. It is important to note that the 1500 Mega Cab has SFA and sat a tad bit higher.
^^ this is why i didnt use the term "death wobble"

i had true death wobble when i did a Solid axle conversion on my 90' chev, i did not recover from it and ended up losing the truck...



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^^ this is why i didnt use the term "death wobble"

i had true death wobble when i did a Solid axle conversion on my 90' chev, i did not recover from it and ended up losing the truck...



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No worries man!
Its good for those who also fall into same position
Your questions are the same questions I had and others have.

Im giving you answers based on what I have received from others, but more so based on my experience with tires/lift/level, etc
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i had true death wobble when i did a Solid axle conversion on my 90' chev, i did not recover from it and ended up losing the truck...



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with this new knowledge of staying at 2.1 shoul i rethink my tire size?

i looked around a bit

maybe a BFG AT 285/65? (34.5")

any suggestions?

or maybe find a 34"?
I don't remember if you have stock wheels or not, so if not, please forgive me, but stock wheels, 285/65 and 2.1 will fit with slight rubbing at turn. If you go 305, you'll lose some height. After that in BFG AT, you'll hit 325s which is larger than a 35x12.50, size comparison below. The 285s will barely stick out of the fender.
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