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Old 05-08-2012, 11:21 PM
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There is no replacement for displacement.

Ford went from a 7.3 diesel to a 6.0 to a 6.4 to a 6.7. In a couple more years they will be back to the 7.3.

I do think the eco-boost is pretty sweet.

In ten years when we look at the cost of overhauling a twin turbo v6 or a hemi....I bet the hemi will be cheaper.
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yeah its a v6, but you forgot to add it has forced induction and more stout numbers than the modern hemi, and will walk right past the hemi once she is spoolin at or around 100mph. im not stickin up for it, just stating facts, im a dodge guy, fords ok, bowties are for the pick n pull. nice kill, did ya rub it in? i would have
no didn't forget it, I just will always consider teh V6 useless.
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Really? Yeah cause it makes since to replace the new 5.8 SUPERCHARGED motor that will be in the new Shelby with a twin turbo 3.6

Btw... not that im trying to justify the ecoboost but its pushing 365HP and 420 Torque. So its go slightly less HP then a sport but more Torque... plus they have the luxury of a tuner option where as we with 2011+ do not. With the same gearing they also get about 700 more lbs of trailer towing then us... ijs its not that bad of a motor... i just love how my sport ext and for sure the interior compare to any other make.
no not seeing them putting a V6 in the shelby. He hasn't lost it that far I hope.

Like the old saying goes, "there's no replacement for displacement."

I don't care what the numbers are, I have no interest in a V6 with a power adder. A naturally aspirated V8 will be much better regardless than a forced induction V6. Not ot mention the detonation that is prone in power adders.

I came out of cars a few years back, learned a long time ago that if you're gonna get a car you build it around the motor. You don't try to work on the motor later to squeeze more power than it was meant ot have out of it.
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The first Eco-Boost I raced showed me a great profile of his tailgate. He had me in the 1/8th and 1/4. We raced 3 times, the 3rd time we traded trucks and with me driving the Eco, the win was even greater.

THEN I discovered from his dealer that his truck was tuned! This was something that was left out of the 'disclosure'. Since then I have upgraded my exhaust, intake and added a 91 tune. We have raced since then, and the tables have turned.

I discovered a tuned Eco will bet a 100% stock hemi when all other variables are the same. (Quad cab to quad cab; 4wd to 4wd; etc.)

How do you beat a stock Hemi with a V6? Easy.....just add a couple of turbos, aviation fuel, a tuner, exhaust, intake, OH....did I forget to mention the 4.56 gears.

In the beginning I was genuinely concerned that Ford had something very special. IMO, the Eco is pretty cool. They have managed to take a small V6 (3.5L isn't big in my books) and have it successfully power a full sized 4wd truck and do a very good job of it. Kudos to Ford! However, the Hemi continues to prove it's superiority in general. The only advantage I have been able to confirm with the Eco, is the fuel mileage when running empty.....there it consistently beats the Hemi.
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Really? Yeah cause it makes since to replace the new 5.8 SUPERCHARGED motor that will be in the new Shelby with a twin turbo 3.6

Btw... not that im trying to justify the ecoboost but its pushing 365HP and 420 Torque. So its go slightly less HP then a sport but more Torque... plus they have the luxury of a tuner option where as we with 2011+ do not. With the same gearing they also get about 700 more lbs of trailer towing then us... ijs its not that bad of a motor... i just love how my sport ext and for sure the interior compare to any other make.
and as soon as they tune it their warranty is over. They cant even mod the exhaust without loosing their warranty. And if they turn up the boost it breaks a marked seal put there purposely by ford to detect it and imediately void the warranty. Fords encryption detects tunes, chryslers blocks and will detect if anyone gets through it...ecoboost is just as screwed as the 11 on up hemi
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The first Eco-Boost I raced showed me a great profile of his tailgate. He had me in the 1/8th and 1/4. We raced 3 times, the 3rd time we traded trucks and with me driving the Eco, the win was even greater.

THEN I discovered from his dealer that his truck was tuned!
Lol, I could be wrong but I seem to remember you telling this story this story in the hemi vs eb topic back when there was no tuner for the ecoboost. Plz excuse me if I missed something here but how is it that his truck was tuned and modded like that back then? And last, if the dealer told u this then I presume that they told u his warranty was void because of...or did he?

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I remember you telling this story this story in the hemi vs eb topic back when there was no tuner for the ecoboost. Plz excuse me if I missed something here but how is it that his truck was tuned and modded like that back then? And last, if the dealer told u this then I presume that they told u his warranty was void because of...or did he?
The dealer was involved in the scenario. If they lied about the tuner then the Eco did far better then we all hoped for, but doesn't explain why that was the only one that caused me issue. All subsequent races proved the Eco to be a pretty easy win against, even prior to my mods.

Today, even the tuned ones don't show me their tailgate in the 1/8 or 1/4.
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^^^ yes but you my friend have the advantage of being a 2010 that can do more mods then us the the 2011s and up

RadioFlyer- If i only had a 60k warranty like the Fords do then i really wouldnt give a rats A$$ about voiding my engines warranty. If my motor cant last 60k with a simple tuner mod then i need a new vehicle all together... im not talking about max out a boost or anything but a couple more lbs shouldnt do damage to it.
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^^^ yes but you my friend have the advantage of being a 2010 that can do more mods then us the the 2011s and up

RadioFlyer- If i only had a 60k warranty like the Fords do then i really wouldnt give a rats A$$ about voiding my engines warranty. If my motor cant last 60k with a simple tuner mod then i need a new vehicle all together... im not talking about max out a boost or anything but a couple more lbs shouldnt do damage to it.
Talking about it is easier said than done...I felt the same way when I first got mine. But as time passed I changed my mind. At the same time, for each his own...it depends on how hungry the owner is for speed and winning and or how wealthy the person is. The vast majority of eb owners are midle aged on up and didn't purchase it to race. So I would think that only the young dumb and full of more dumb would do something stupid like that, lol. If I were to buy a Ford with the best of both worlds it would be a 5.0 or even better a 6.2 because I could not live with the exhaust sound of an eb. One last thing before I go, did you purchase an extended warranty? Plz correct me if I'm wrong, but all you should have is a 36/100 but not sure. I have an 09 with a 36/lifetime (limited) so I'm not sure of the others. Point is, anybody who did purchase an extended warranty is not going to risk loosing it. My freinds name is on 90% of the Fords in this town, yet even he is concerned about the warranty on the one he purchased for his son. His son told me that he is afraid to mod his wheels without risking voiding his warranty. I could never purchase one...I couldn't deal with it.
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Ford does seem pretty sticky with regards to warranty, especially on the EB. Although unconfirmed, I have heard numerous owners complain that they can't even change the muffler or install a CAI as they have been advised this will void the engine warranty. If this is true, I feel it's a bit over the top.
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Ford does seem pretty sticky with regards to warranty, especially on the EB. Although unconfirmed, I have heard numerous owners complain that they can't even change the muffler or install a CAI as they have been advised this will void the engine warranty. If this is true, I feel it's a bit over the top.
That's how they afford to throw every bolt on in the book at the Shelby, they make the F-150 owners suffer lol Seriously you can't think that a 650HP SC car under full warranty will have some effect on the production line and legal side of things somewhere down the road.

The EB is a decent motor, I'll even say I watched all the torture test videos they did with the motor. Hauling large loads and throwing it into a Baja truck, down to the live tear down and measurements after all the testing. It is impressive. But I like to tinker with my toys, and I hate the sound of the upgraded exhaust on the EB's. Have you ever heard a V6 Accord with a "tuner" exhaust, same damn thing. And those turbo's aren't that big, cranking up boost on them won't get you very far.
While it seems that lately the more the big 3 give, the more they take (I can't tune my 11' yet) I am very happy with how far we've evolved. Think about this, the 2nd Gen Ram had a 5.2L V8 putting out 220HP, and we went crazy for it. Now even the PowerTech 4.7L V8 puts out over 300HP (not to the wheels of course, that's 4th Gen 5.7 territory) and we're able to produce better MPG. Now.. Long live the Hemi!!! And get rid of this damn rolling computer code so I can cam this damn thing already.
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