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IMO, Use tow/haul regardless if you want your tranny to be a happy machine for a long time. The bit of loss in MPG is worth it.
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I towed by boat for the 1st time this past weekend with the new Ram and the diff between tow/haul and normal was 0.2 mpg.

Either way, the mpg was more than 1 mpg better than the silverado I traded in on it (almost 1.5 mpg better).
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i did my first real tow yesterday, only towed with this truck 1 time before and it was light so i don't count it. i hauled my FIL's old Ford Ranger on a 18' trailer about 175 miles yesterday. in addition to the truck was all his tools, some lumber, and misc other junk he wants to keep. all together i would estimate i had about 5000# plus the weight of the tandem axle trailer. i did some playing with the tow/haul mode, and in the hills it was definitely required to keep the tranny from constantly going in/out of OD. once i got to the flat lands here, it really made no difference in how the truck performed. i have the hemi and 3.92 gears.

one thing i can say, the brakes work MUCH better than the ones on my '04 1500 ever did! i had almost no noticeable increase in stopping distance, and i don't have trailer brakes on this trailer.

as far as MPG, and going strictly by the EVIC reading, i saw about 0.5 mpg less with T/H on. on a side note, i pulled the trailer up there empty and got the EXACT same mileage as i did pulling it back loaded! i swear i think Dodge cuts the mileage back 4-5 mpg just by turning on teh trailer lights. my old truck did the same thing. Of course on bigger hills you could tell it was using more, but around here the hills are just quick, nothing where you go up/down for miles at a stretch just rolling hills.
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i swear i think Dodge cuts the mileage back 4-5 mpg just by turning on teh trailer lights. my old truck did the same thing.

MY 97 12v CTD 5 spd 4x4 dually use to be like that. I called it the hitch - ball interlock.

It'd get 15 or so normal driving around town and all, but as soon as a trailer touched the ball, it dropped to 11-12.

Didn't matter if it was my 3200 lb boat/trailer comobo, or my 4500 lb 24' GN loaded down with 9k + of cargo.


And you need to get trailer brakes on that thing !!!! MY 3200 lb boat has trailer brakes on it, and you were moving a LOT more than that from your post.
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it's my brother in law's trailer that i borrowed for this. my 2 horse bumper pull has brakes, but they are disconnected right now. i bought it that way and have not had time to fix them. plus i gotta get a coupel controllers since neither mine nor my wife's truck has a TBC. but since she is going to start hauling the horse i WILL get them fixed. you know how women are, wait until a few feet from something to apply the brake!
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I pull a 35ft long fifth wheel (6380lbs) Ultralight holiday trailer, and I just leave it in tow/haul mode and the truck pulls just fine,
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also remember, just because the transmission is an Automatic
there are times that you should Manually shift it

here is an article that everyone should read

http://www.autos.ca/vehicle-safety/w...sion-manually/
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When i pull 10,000+ i always shift her manually it just feels so much better in the truck, hell i even do that in our diesels too
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I've been waiting until I took a long trip before coming to a personal conclusion about the tow/haul mode. My 1500 '12 Express has a modded exhaust and intake and 3:55 gearing...no internal engine work or tuner/chip. I tow a 5500 pound travel trailer, and it doesn't challenge this truck at all IMO. I've taken several smaller trips of several hundred miles at a time, but I racked up about 3000 miles last month. With a tow load in my range, I found the truck to cruise just fine on flat or gently rolling terrain without tow/haul.

Now, let me get specific. When I started from a dead stop or pulling in an urban area, I pretty much kept tow/haul engaged. From all I've read, tow/haul affects shift points and even fluid pressure and probably generates less heat in more challenging conditions. When I got into hills/mountains, I left it in tow/haul. Even when not using tow/haul on the flat or gently rolling terrain, however, I usually kept the tranny in "5th" via the manual button. This truck would often even run in full top gear, "6th", in many situations, but I had to fiddle with it too much for up/down shifting even when just going over an overpass. Keeping it in 5th usually allowed it to stay fully "locked up" in 5th without any downshifting or coming out of what seems like full torque converter lockup. I found that using tow/haul all the time actually caused a lot more downshifting. I watch my tach religiously. All that downshifting seems like it would cause a bit more heat, whereas staying in 5th with no tow/haul kept the engine and tranny running in one gear and one rpm...about 1900 rpm at about 70-72 mph. Funny thing is that tow/haul is also 1900 rpm at the same speed in 6th (top) gear, so tow/haul seems to basically be 5th gear. I don't have EVIC, so I'm unable to monitor trans temps. I'm going to rectify that shortly with either a mechanical trans temp guage or a device that plugs into the OBDII port to read the sensors. Still, it seemed pretty obvious that the tranny was not being challenged by my trailer weight or driving conditions.

About mileage. I did a couple of experiments running tow/haul on flat terrain for a whole tank of gas and then going back to running no tow/haul for comparison. The tow/haul quite clearly ate up about 2 mpg. It would get 9 on flat ground with tow/haul and get 11 without...all while driving between 70-75 mph. I got as high as 13 mpg on one tank. All mileage was done manually comparing gallons used to actual mileage.

Again, my trailer is about 5500 fully loaded. I think as trailer weight goes up and/or the wind drag of the trailer design is not optimal, tow/haul will probably become more and more necessary. If you're used to towing and you monitor your rpm and shifting patterns carefully, I think you can safely tow without tow/haul. However, once shifting frequency increases or conditions are stressing your engine and/or tranny, tow/haul should always be engaged.

I was thoroughly impressed with how my truck towed my travel trailer on this trip. Part of the trip was in the Smokey Mountains of TN and NC, so I got to pull some decent grades. The truck and tranny never felt stressed with a 5500 pound trailer. The manual shifting was also helpful on the downhills.
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I've been waiting until I took a long trip before coming to a personal conclusion about the tow/haul mode. My 1500 '12 Express has a modded exhaust and intake and 3:55 gearing...no internal engine work or tuner/chip. I tow a 5500 pound travel trailer, and it doesn't challenge this truck at all IMO. I've taken several smaller trips of several hundred miles at a time, but I racked up about 3000 miles last month. With a tow load in my range, I found the truck to cruise just fine on flat or gently rolling terrain without tow/haul.

Now, let me get specific. When I started from a dead stop or pulling in an urban area, I pretty much kept tow/haul engaged. From all I've read, tow/haul affects shift points and even fluid pressure and probably generates less heat in more challenging conditions. When I got into hills/mountains, I left it in tow/haul. Even when not using tow/haul on the flat or gently rolling terrain, however, I usually kept the tranny in "5th" via the manual button. This truck would often even run in full top gear, "6th", in many situations, but I had to fiddle with it too much for up/down shifting even when just going over an overpass. Keeping it in 5th usually allowed it to stay fully "locked up" in 5th without any downshifting or coming out of what seems like full torque converter lockup. I found that using tow/haul all the time actually caused a lot more downshifting. I watch my tach religiously. All that downshifting seems like it would cause a bit more heat, whereas staying in 5th with no tow/haul kept the engine and tranny running in one gear and one rpm...about 1900 rpm at about 70-72 mph. Funny thing is that tow/haul is also 1900 rpm at the same speed in 6th (top) gear, so tow/haul seems to basically be 5th gear. I don't have EVIC, so I'm unable to monitor trans temps. I'm going to rectify that shortly with either a mechanical trans temp guage or a device that plugs into the OBDII port to read the sensors. Still, it seemed pretty obvious that the tranny was not being challenged by my trailer weight or driving conditions.

About mileage. I did a couple of experiments running tow/haul on flat terrain for a whole tank of gas and then going back to running no tow/haul for comparison. The tow/haul quite clearly ate up about 2 mpg. It would get 9 on flat ground with tow/haul and get 11 without...all while driving between 70-75 mph. I got as high as 13 mpg on one tank. All mileage was done manually comparing gallons used to actual mileage.

Again, my trailer is about 5500 fully loaded. I think as trailer weight goes up and/or the wind drag of the trailer design is not optimal, tow/haul will probably become more and more necessary. If you're used to towing and you monitor your rpm and shifting patterns carefully, I think you can safely tow without tow/haul. However, once shifting frequency increases or conditions are stressing your engine and/or tranny, tow/haul should always be engaged.

I was thoroughly impressed with how my truck towed my travel trailer on this trip. Part of the trip was in the Smokey Mountains of TN and NC, so I got to pull some decent grades. The truck and tranny never felt stressed with a 5500 pound trailer. The manual shifting was also helpful on the downhills.
Great feedback and thanks for sharing
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