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Old 10-21-2012, 10:53 PM
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OK, well. I love my 2011 Outdoorsman, but I have a need to upgrade my truck. I used to own a snowplowing business, years ago, and I sold it.
Now I want to start another one, so next year I will need a bigger ride.
I also have a larger boat and camper, both weight about 10K. My current truck pulls both fine, but my MPG is bad, usually 8-9 when towning. Around town is good, about 15-17 MPG.

I want to go back to a diesel, thats what I had before, but it was a 2004 CTD, so there have been lots of changes an upgrades since then. back then, i was getting about 20 MPG around town and around 17 towing.

Now both the 2500 and 3500 will handle my towing, there is about a $2000 price difference in the trucks, so question, which one to go with?

Also, can anyone give examples of MPG the new CTD are getting?
I am hoping for a big improvement.

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Old 10-21-2012, 11:10 PM
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The new Cummins is bogged down by emission and lots of control crap. When I owned my 2012 Ram 2500 CTD I was seeing roughly 14 MPG city and about 17 highway. Granted I only got up to about 5k miles but still.

Don't get me wrong it will still pull a house if you need and has the power but don't hope for any MPG's unless you do the DPF/EGR deletes and get a tuner. However if you have a state inspection that is a no go and doing those deletes will void your factory warranty.

If it were me looking for a new truck I would wait for the 2013 Heavy Duty trucks. They are going to get all of the upgraded interior options that the 1500's just got. They also will benefit from other things like 15,000 oil change intervals, increased MPG due to a dual air intake system and other things. Yes they will need DEF but for added power and MPG I'd take it.

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OK, well. I love my 2011 Outdoorsman, but I have a need to upgrade my truck. I used to own a snowplowing business, years ago, and I sold it.
Now I want to start another one, so next year I will need a bigger ride.
I also have a larger boat and camper, both weight about 10K. My current truck pulls both fine, but my MPG is bad, usually 8-9 when towning. Around town is good, about 15-17 MPG.

I want to go back to a diesel, thats what I had before, but it was a 2004 CTD, so there have been lots of changes an upgrades since then. back then, i was getting about 20 MPG around town and around 17 towing.

Now both the 2500 and 3500 will handle my towing, there is about a $2000 price difference in the trucks, so question, which one to go with?

Also, can anyone give examples of MPG the new CTD are getting?
I am hoping for a big improvement.

Thanks
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Old 10-21-2012, 11:34 PM
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the 2013 Ram Heavy Duty will also have one other pitfall
besides putting diesel in the regular tank
you will also have a DEF/UREA tank & many truck stops don't carry it yet
right now it costs $8 a gallon & there is talk that it will soon cost more.
a 8 gallon tank will cost you about $120 to fill up
you can buy it at some Walmarts
but a better bet would be
http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/se...+exhaust+fluid

you don't have to refill very often, maybe once every 100,000 miles
likely there will be no gauge to find out how full you are
it lets you know in the EVIC, just before you run out, the diesels that need it, shut down when it runs out
& no, peeing in the tank does NOT work
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Old 10-23-2012, 01:45 AM
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i look at the def/urea as an improvement. increase mpg and power.
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I'd buy a used diesel truck instead of buying new due to cost. Keep your 1/2 ton truck and abuse the used HD one when plowing/ towing. You've plowed snow before and know how hard that is on a truck!
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I guess I could wait till 2013. But ere those upgrades going to make a significant difference? I know some people getting close to 20 Mpg on there new CTD.

Also, and with good reason, good rebates right now..as far as plowing...well I can't afford 2 trucks at the moment and when I did it before with my diesel, as long as you don't drive like an ass and beat the truck up by the way u plow...u will be good to go.. I never had any issues at all..

So , same question, 2500 or 3500?
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i vote 3500. but thats just because when towing i am partial to duallys for obvious reasons.
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i doubt any one is gtting 20 mpg with a 4x4 3500 6.7 cumins. that is 5.9 mpg.
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unless you do all the deletes you wont see 20mpg out of the new ones and as for the urea situation i know all the ford and chevy guys are haveing to fill the urea around every 5-8k miles . Urea will supposedly give you better mileage but with all the emissions crap on these new diesels i have yet to find any brand get over 15mpg hwy miles without deletes or something aftermarket done. I would go with a 04.5-07 5.9 CTD if your looking for mileage and as hard as snowplowing can be if your doing alot of it why get a diesel? The cost of diesel vs gas for that aspect will not be much more profitable and also with cold winters i would rather have a gas doing that vecause of gelling issues and also breakdowns are alot more expensive. I have a 2500 now and a nice plow setup for mine and i put it on my gas instead of my diesel for those reasons. Gas here is $3.35 a gallon and diesel is $4.24. Just a thought for ya but honestly until they find out a way to get better mileage out of these diesels it isnt profitable anymore to own one. IMHO
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I'm looking at the diesel because it is better on gas when towing. I have a35 foot TT and a 30' boat(cruiser) and both weight around 10k lbs. And it will be my main vehicle as well..my old truck the 2004 5.9 CTD I was getting about 20 mpg and as far as plowing it was miles and miles about the other trucks in my fleet which were hemi's. my buddy has a 3/4 ton 2012 with a hemi and around town he gets like 10 mpg and towing he gets like 8... With the diesel I'm hoping to stay around 15 mpg normal driving and improve on the 7-8 mpg I'm currently getting with my 1/2 ton hemi.
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