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Old 11-11-2012, 09:24 PM
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I see various posts on towing TT 31', 33'; very heavy weights. I am considering a 27' Dry 4010# w/WDH. Weight isn't the issue its length. Various RV websites have rule of thumb of tow vehicle vs TT length for stability issues. 20' TT vs 118" WB(Truck Wheel Base) For every foot of trailer added-4" WB and so forth. 27' for 138" WB. My '09 SLT CC 4WD has 140.5" WB.
I have had an '03 2500 QC LB 4WD tow a 32' Fiver, and '88 2500 SC LB 4WD pull a 30' so I am no stranger to having the right vehicle for the right job.
Or am I just paranoid?
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Old 11-11-2012, 11:04 PM
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That trailer won't challenge your pickup...by weight or length. I've never seen a formula like that. There must be some other parameter they're addressing with that formula. For many years I've pulled a 27' foot travel trailer with a 106" wheelbased full size GMC Jimmy 4X4 with no problems. The Jimmy even had a small lift, air bags on the rear, and no WDH. The trailer weighs just a hair over 5000 pounds. With my short bed, reg cab Express, it pulls even better...still with air bags and no WDH. In the mountains, tight switchback roads, strong winds, and interstate semi truck traffic, I've only used a good quality adjustable friction sway control bar. Even under panic stops, I've never had the trailer get "jiggy". With your even longer truck and a WDH, you should be very stable with your described trailer.
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Old 11-11-2012, 11:55 PM
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TNC Thank you for your reply. I can always appreciate insight from others.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:40 AM
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I have towed a jayco 31v, 33' overall length for 25000 miles with my 09 1500. I am close to max tow rating at 7200#. It tow's like a dream. Make sure you use a WDH adjusted correctly. Also if you will be towing close to capacity rear air bags will help with any excess tire wear.
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Old 11-13-2012, 10:07 AM
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I'm towing a 35ft Fifth wheel with my 2011 Ram 1500.

I pull a Passport Ultralite (6380lbs dry) pulls great, no issues. I do have an airbag set up to help even out the load, truck pulls it fine with no chugging or strain.

here are the specs on my trailer:

Length (ft/m) 32.83 / 10
Width (in/mm) 96 / 2438.4
Height (in/mm) 135 / 3429
Length (ft/ft) 32
Length (ft/in) 10
Dry Weight (lbs/kg) 6360 / 2884.9
Payload Capacity (lbs/kgs) 1940 / 880
GVWR (lbs/kgs) 8300 / 3764.9
Hitch Weight (lbs/kgs) 1120 / 508
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I think I might have found the formula that '09hemi is referring to here. I attached a link to the other site and the thread. It's worth a read. I think we're mainly talking about "tow-behind" trailers here, aren't we? 5th wheels have their own pros and cons and perhaps should not be in the mix here. As the threads on that site point out, there are varying opinions about this or any other formula dictating a tow vehicle wheelbase to a trailer wheelbase. While those elements can be critical, one must also consider weight, height, center-of-gravity, and a host of lesser but just as important factors when taken in totality.

My situation that I outlined in my last post here with my ancient '89 full size Jimmy 4X4 would highlight some issues that would seem to make for an unsafe towing package...short wheelbase, lifted high profile, 27' trailer, no WDH. However, with airbags, quality properly adjusted friction damper, properly loaded trailer, good trailer brakes, etc., I had no safety issues encountered with this setup. A highly unquantifiable element here may also be driver experience and skill in towing trailers. Some are absolute "nervous netties" when it comes to towing anything because of a lack of experience, while some don't have a clue as to how dangerous their tow setup might actually be until the trailer swaps ends on them...LOL! Joking a bit there, but I think you know what I mean.

Anyway, that original formula, while it might be something to consider from the most conservative safety perspective, seems somewhat unrealistic overall. I like the suggestion from one poster who suggested that any trailer over 22' needs a 3/4 ton or bigger truck. While one could conjure up a 22' trailer scenario where one would need or benefit from a 3/4 ton truck, I doubt that's going to be anywhere near the norm for mere mortals towing a reasonable trailer. This is an interesting discussion and well worth considering all the elements to insure safe trailer towing.

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http://www.irv2.com/forums/f45/trail...base-8642.html
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^ you make a good point. My original starting point for trailers after I bought my 1/2ton, was started on 24' bumper pulls. We ended up looking at a 31' bumper pull which we almost signed the deal on. It was a final stop at a what i think was the 20th RV dealership we found a fifth wheel 1/2 built trailer and went that route for the kids bunks.

The truck/trailer ratings were still well within specs of the towing capacity, weight and towability allowances for my Ram. I'm not hauling cross country, just within 2-3hrs of my home type deal.

I will say that 3/4 tons do have their place with the towing world but with today's manufacturers opening up the lightweight market to target 1/2ton owners there are a few more options to look at, be it a bumper pull or fifth wheel. Overall it all comes down to what you are comfortable manuevering and what is safe for your truck ratings.

what it all boils down to, is safety like you mentioned TNC. Any idiot can go buy the biggest thing they can find and hook it up to a vehicle and go wild. It's braking, control and ratings that will catch the idiot in the long run. I did my homework prior to buying my trailer. And I mean I contacted D.O.T for "proper tow ratings" and "allowances", the trailer manufacturer and Dodge direct. I supplied numbers to everyone from each, and I found what I was capable of towing safely and what I was comfortable towing and moving around.

Good thread guys.

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I pull our 26' jayco with my '09 and it seems to have an easier time than when we pulled our 15' popup. You will not be disappointed.
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:23 PM
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I appreciate all the help, after looking at the used unit it wasn't worth it at all. So I opted to order a new 26' Jayco, UVW:3760# GVWR:4950#. Pick it up in about 8 weeks.
Thank to All!
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Which model Jayco did you get, I'm having the same dilemma.......I would like to stay under 30', but we have looked at a lot that are close. They are 6000 to 6500 lbs.

Trying to find a happy medium between size, weight, and cost!!

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