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I had a shop tell me today that he wouldn't recommend putting bilsteins in the front of my truck (set a .07) with a zone 4" lift with 3" rear coils. He said the angles wouldn't be right for the axle and the ball joints would wear prematurely. Has anyone else been told this or this guy full of it?
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Have you considered FOX shocks with your lift ??

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I believe what he was referencing is the Upper Control Arms... It's a good idea to replace those while the rest of the truck is torn apart and when they throw the truck up for alignment, you'll kill two birds with one stone.

If that's ALL he said and didn't give you any other options, I'd say he's full of it and you should find someone reputable to install your lift from.

Bils are certainly going to be the cheapest route to go, however there is always the more expensive Fox option. I'd recommend Zone Upper Control Arms. There are a few others making UCA's, however I believe the others may have started to experience some quality control issues recently.

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I believe what he was referencing is the Upper Control Arms... It's a good idea to replace those while the rest of the truck is torn apart and when they throw the truck up for alignment, you'll kill two birds with one stone.

If that's ALL he said and didn't give you any other options, I'd say he's full of it and you should find someone reputable to install your lift from.

Bils are certainly going to be the cheapest route to go, however there is always the more expensive Fox option. I'd recommend Zone Upper Control Arms. There are a few others making UCA's, however I believe the others may have started to experience some quality control issues recently.

Make use of our site sponsor Revel Performance or Auto Anything. Andrew at Revel will get you fixed up in no time and can certainly shed light on all your options. Good luck and let us know what you decide!!
Thats what I was planning on doing! I agree I think its worth killing two birds with one stone. I just emailed Andrew so ill let you know what he says and what I end up doing.
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Have you considered FOX shocks with your lift ??

http://www.socalsupertrucks.com/fox-...x#.VlS8gWBdEfg


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I haven't looked at the coilovers for the front. Only the 2.0s for the rear. They are a little bit more cost friendly.
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It's not a matter of putting Bilstien's on the front with the lift. He's referring to you setting them at any other height that zero on the Bilstien's. The lift itself is already compensating and keeping as close to factory angles as possible. Adding more lift on top of that will alter the angles and cause problems. Use the Bilstien's but keep them set to zero .
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It's not a matter of putting Bilstien's on the front with the lift. He's referring to you setting them at any other height that zero on the Bilstien's. The lift itself is already compensating and keeping as close to factory angles as possible. Adding more lift on top of that will alter the angles and cause problems. Use the Bilstien's but keep them set to zero .
With the bilsteins set at 0 will this change the height of the front end of the truck at all compared to the stock shocks? Im really just trying to prevent too big of a rake while improving drivability and performance.
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What's the point to add Bilstein 5100's if you're going to keep them at stock height? They have another series, aka 4600, if you're not looking for the ability to level the truck out.... they are cheaper and more readily available since they aren't as in demand.

You're fine to add the lift and fine to add Bilsteins set at .07 to level the truck out..... at the end of the day, you're talking about .07 here, that's not going to hurt your truck or severely impact the longevity of it either.



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With the bilsteins set at 0 will this change the height of the front end of the truck at all compared to the stock shocks? Im really just trying to prevent too big of a rake while improving drivability and performance.
No, the height will not change if set on the first ring which is zero lift. Superlift sells their kits with Bilstien's as an upgrade option to give you a better ride, they strongly advise to not set the shocks above zero. Anything above that will alter angles even if only a little.
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No, the height will not change if set on the first ring which is zero lift. Superlift sells their kits with Bilstien's as an upgrade option to give you a better ride, they strongly advise to not set the shocks above zero. Anything above that will alter angles even if only a little.
Got it. That makes sense. Thanks ill keep you guys posted. It sounds like it would make more sense to just go with the super lift with the upgraded bilsteins all around then. Rather than getting the zone kit and adding the bils myself. The only thing the zone kit has that I like is the upgraded UCAs. Can you guys tell me what the benefits really are of upgrading the UCAs? Is it worth the money?

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