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Alan, I am going to supplement your findings with some more info.
http://www.amsoil.com/lit/G52.pdf
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Alan, I am going to supplement your findings with some more info.
http://www.amsoil.com/lit/G52.pdf
Good information, yes Amsoil is an excellent product, I am interested in the AMSOIL Spin-On By-Pass Filter, this is something I will be looking at more in detail soon. Spring is around the corner and will be due for my oil change, I may get this product. Thanks for the info
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Thats what I am here for. It is more for oil and filter info than Amsoil info. Just hit me up when you are ready and I can get you everything you need.
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Here is some Amsoil specific info.
http://www.amsoil.com/lit/G359.pdf
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Huntsvillian, Thats what I don't get, 1500 and the 2500/3500 engine block and heads are the same except for the MDS stuff. Why then the different wt oil??? If Ram really wanted to make it simple they would have made 1500's ECU accept 5W30 as the correct oil, which would have made all of their trucks the same.
I wonder what percentage 1/2 tons to 3/4,1 tons there are?
Is the 5W20 really for fleet mileage? Could the ECU be reflashed for 5W30?
I guess I'm too old school, 5W20 seems too thin for a V-8.
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The Magnuson Moss Warranty Act is mentioned in one of the articles, seeming to indicate under this act it is ok to use a different grade specified by the manufacturer. As I understand the act, this is incorrect. Here is what the act says regarding the issue.

"The Act provides that any warrantor warranting a consumer product to a consumer by means of a written warranty must disclose, fully and conspicuously, in simple and readily understood language, the terms and conditions of the warranty to the extent required by rules of the Federal Trade Commission. The FTC has enacted regulations governing the disclosure of written consumer product warranty terms and conditions on consumer products actually costing the consumer more than $15. The Rules can be found at 16 C.F.R. Part 700.Warrantors cannot require that only branded parts be used with the product in order to retain the warranty.[7] This is commonly referred to as the "tie-in sales" provisions,[8] and is frequently mentioned in the context of third-party computer parts, such as memory and hard drives."

According to this the manufacturer can specify for example grades of oil but has to do so clearly and cannot require a certain brand.
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i run 5-20 quaker state conventional (yes quaker state) and a wix filter changed every 3000 miles or 3 mo my old gmc a 95 5.7 v8 had almost 200,000 mi on it before i bought my ram did not smoke oil and barely leaked oil more like seeped it from rear main seal and that started at about 150,000 mi and it got qs 10-30 and a wix filter since day one and im pretty sure it called for 5-30 for (energy conserving) or whatever it said on the cap so my opinion is (except for mds hemi with a warranty) run whatever u want just change regularly and use a good filter i will continue to run what i like and if im still around in 6 yrs or so i will post how it held up
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Huntsvillian, Thats what I don't get, 1500 and the 2500/3500 engine block and heads are the same except for the MDS stuff. Why then the different wt oil??? If Ram really wanted to make it simple they would have made 1500's ECU accept 5W30 as the correct oil, which would have made all of their trucks the same.
I wonder what percentage 1/2 tons to 3/4,1 tons there are?
Is the 5W20 really for fleet mileage? Could the ECU be reflashed for 5W30?
I guess I'm too old school, 5W20 seems too thin for a V-8.
I am not to sure either. I do know that my father in-laws 2500 with the hemi the dealer has twice put in 5W20 by mistake then drained it, and when I took mine in for an oil change (not the dealer) he asked me if I wanted 5W30, go figure.

I have attached a picture from the 2012 owners manual that states it will damage the MDS.
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The Magnuson Moss Warranty Act is mentioned in one of the articles, seeming to indicate under this act it is ok to use a different grade specified by the manufacturer. As I understand the act, this is incorrect. Here is what the act says regarding the issue.

"The Act provides that any warrantor warranting a consumer product to a consumer by means of a written warranty must disclose, fully and conspicuously, in simple and readily understood language, the terms and conditions of the warranty to the extent required by rules of the Federal Trade Commission. The FTC has enacted regulations governing the disclosure of written consumer product warranty terms and conditions on consumer products actually costing the consumer more than $15. The Rules can be found at 16 C.F.R. Part 700.Warrantors cannot require that only branded parts be used with the product in order to retain the warranty.[7] This is commonly referred to as the "tie-in sales" provisions,[8] and is frequently mentioned in the context of third-party computer parts, such as memory and hard drives."

According to this the manufacturer can specify for example grades of oil but has to do so clearly and cannot require a certain brand.
That is what my understanding was also.
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I have done a bit of digging on this. I did find the initial links to be pro THEIR brand rather than the specific weight. I mean a company that is going against the manufacturer would I imagine risk losing business.

Anyway, getting back on track. I have attached an earlier screen shot of the 2012 owners manual stating with MDS 5W20, and a screen shot of the 2005 RAM 1500 pre-MDS showing 5W30. That IMO says that it will have some effect on the MDS.

I do understand the theory behind the initial post, but I plan on using 5W 20 in my truck.
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