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read all of this, here in jersey i am going to stick with 5-20 syn. been using penzoil ultra and change every 6000 miles. if any are concerned about about engine longevity, after 100000 miles, just pick up a lifetime warranty for a couple of grand from chrysler.
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read all of this, here in jersey i am going to stick with 5-20 syn. been using penzoil ultra and change every 6000 miles. if any are concerned about about engine longevity, after 100000 miles, just pick up a lifetime warranty for a couple of grand from chrysler.
That would be nice, but in canada its not offered, well not at the dealers in my Provence. And our warranty on the truck is also different then in the US, ours is 100,000 klm and in the US is 160,000 klm or 100,000 miles. I have spoken to Crystler and they dont give a $*@*%, There response is: Not our problem, Canadian truck not the same. Lmao.
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It is interesting that some folks report issues with their MDS when using oil viscosity other than the 5w-20 and others report no issues. I would think if the MDS systems require 5w-20 evryone would experience problems when using something other than 5w-20. I am curious to know from those who have experienced problems, what kind of symptoms, issues occur?
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As i mentioned earlier, i just had the
Check Engine Light came on
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From what i understand, in Australia & New Zealand, they don't have 5w-20, but they do have 0w-20
Australia has temperatures that are much like Afghanistan, 130 - 140F in mid summer
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Here is something interesting.

Ford released this

http://www.imakenews.com/lng/e_artic....cfm?x=b11,0,w

I have been reading that in Europe, 5W-20 is not put in cars delivered in Europe, whether Crysler or Ram or ford etc, As for Fords vehicles all have other viscosity like 5W-30 and 40 when delivered to Europe, Actually, you presently can't get 5W-20 in Europe unless specially ordered.
Now If you read the article, it about Ford developing with BP corp a new 5W-20 oil that will be compliant with Europe Europe's ACEA C2 oil sequence which does not have North Americas ver of the 5W-20 as being compliant. Whats interesting in the article, Ford is quoted saying ""My key deliverable was that it offer no compromise on engine durability," to me its as if this new 5W-20 would not compromise engine durability like the North American Ver. Just my thoughts.
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Another interesting thing, if you talk to a guy in the UK that has a Ram 1500, they only put 5W-30 and MDS works fine, no issues, they can't get 5W-20 there yet.

Here is from another forum in the UK

I drive a 2005 C with the 5.7 and I currently have about 204,000 kms. I have used both a "20" weight oil (0w20 and 5w20) and "30" weight oils (0w30 and 5w30) and have had ZERO issues with the MDS.

The MDS was not originally designed to work exclusively with a "20" weight oil, and will work just as well with a "30". Car manufacturers recommend "20" weight oils so that they can meet the CAFE standards relatively easily. A "20" will return slightly better mileage than a "30" weight oil, too small for the average consumer to even notice, but these small improvements multiplied over the entire production run of each company's products add up to real improvements.

If a "20" was the only oil capable of working with the MDS, these cars would never be sold in Europe where a "20" is not relatively easy to find, nor does it have an attractive price point for Chrysler's consumers. The Europeans have been using "30" weight oil with their MDS for what.....6 years now or so, and there are no issues with the MDS not working.

I figured if it's good enough for the same car to use regardless of which side of the pond it's on, I would use the "30" in the summer and the "20" in the winter and have been doing so without any problems for all this time and mileage.


I have been finding this at a few UK forums and all seem to say the same thing.

Others stipulate that the service book for European vehicles with the 5.7l with MDS stipulate 5W-30 recommended oil viscosity. Same car made in the US shipped to Europe??? hmmmm. that's interesting, be nice to see someone scan the page out of there manual about that.

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Just stumbled onto this, here at ForumZ lmao, check this out

http://www.ramforumz.com/showpost.ph...64&postcount=8

its from this thread from a guy out in France

http://www.ramforumz.com/showthread.php?t=119368
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Something of a visual aid for viscosity's.


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That's a strange chart. Shows 5w-40 to a higher temp than straight 40. Straight 40 runs longevity circles around 5w-40 at high temps. It also shows 10w-30 at a higher temp than straight 30. same thing.

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Australia has temperatures that are much like Afghanistan, 130 - 140F in mid summer
In some areas, yes.

However, on the coastal areas, where something like almost 90 percent of the country's population resides, those type of numbers aren't common.

At least not for any prolonged periods.

And, if my memory serves me right, I believe both Castrol and Penrite [Australian owned] makes a 5W20 grade motor oil available in Australia.
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