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Old 03-18-2013, 10:19 AM
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First time poster here. Been lurking around the site trying to learn as much as possible especially about towing since I'm about to step into the world of travel trailer camping. The trailer that we are looking at purchasing is a 2013 Keystone Cougar X-lite 31RKS. It's shipping weight is 6900 lbs. and has a tongue weight of 940 lbs according to Keystone's website. I will be using a weight distibution hitch with a sway control bar and Airlift 1000 air bags on the rear. My truck is a 2011 1500 quadcab 5.7L with 3.55's and the 20 inch wheels. Just wondering how this will tow and if I'm gonna regret getting such a large trailer with this truck. I've never towed this large of a trailer before. The salesman says it will be no problem but I trust him as far as I can throw him. Thanks for any advice you guys can provide. This is an awesome website.
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Shipping weight is empty....nothing in it, no supplies, no water, no dishes, no pot/pans, etc.

I'd bet the actual weight when towing is gonna be 8500 or so.....


Is your truck 4wd or 2wd ?

Check out this link (last page) http://www.media.chrysler.com/dcxms/...500_Specs_.pdf

According to it, the MAX trailer weight you can tow is 8750 lbs.....so I'd say you could be over your rating (or very, very close) with your current truck once you put your stuff in the camper.

Also consider the tongue weight, as the max is payload is 1620 for your truck, and once you subtract the 945 tongue weight from that, it leaves you only 675 for people, cargo and so on in the truck itself.


Personally, I'd say you might want to consider a smaller camper, or a bigger truck (or one with the 3.92 gears).
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Thanks for the reply TRCM. My truck is a 2WD and according to your chart, which I have already seen, my max limits are 8700 lb max trailer weight and 1620 payload. I couldn't imagine packing up 1600 lbs of stuff into the trailer for just me and my wife but I am new to this and that's why I am seeking out to you all for your experiences. With me and my wife in the truck and the weight of the hitch, we'd probably be at around 1400 lbs.
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All I can say is the stuff you put in the camper ads up quicker than you think.

On mine, a full water tank is an extra 300+ lbs (8 lbs / gal), and that's just the freshwater, no grey water or sewage.

Just pay attention, as you will be close......
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Trailer is too big for your truck. It'll tow it, but not comfortably. Check out rv dot net.
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Well, I went to the scales today with my truck. Had just me and almost a full tank of gas in it. My weights were 3100 lbs in the front, 2400 lbs in the rear, and 5540 lbs total. I figured with the wife, the WDH, and a few sundry items, I would add no more than 360lbs to that total for 5900 lbs. My door sticker reads as follows: GVWR 6700, payload 1412, GAWR Front 3700, and GAWR Rear 3900. Now I just need someone to interpret this......lol. Sounds like I only have 800 lbs available for tongue weight. Is that correct? Please give me your thoughts.
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Yes, that is about right...maybe.

You have to look at WHERE the weight is.

For GVWR, yes, you have an 800 buffer, and personally, I'd not use more than 80% of that.

I'm gonna use 400 for the extra (150 for you, 110 for the wife, 80 for the hitch components, and 60 for the sundry items). BTW, my WDH and the bars all weight in just under 80 lbs.

Using your numbers, if you put all the weight in the bed, then your axle weight will jump to 2800. Lets say 1/2 of the people weight will be carried by the front axle due to the location of the weight, so you're now @ 2670.

So now you are at 2670 rear axle weight, and 400 payload. Add a 900 lb tongue weight, and your @ 3570 for rear axle weight (good), 1300 for payload (gettting close), and 6800 GVWR.

You are over your limit, and that's assuming the tongue weight is only 900.

Now, with a WDH properly setup, some of the weight will be shifted to the front axle, but I will not try and tell you how much. I look at it this way, if my truck can legally pull it with a normal hitch, then it will definitely do so with a WDH. And in the event the WDH breaks, I am still legal with a normal hitch.


Now, I'm not sure how they set up the campers to determine tongue weight, but I can tell you this, the tongue weight on my 25' camper with no water or fluids, is 785 lbs.
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If you want the most powerful air suspension, consider TotalLoadControl.

Our air bags add over 5,000 pounds of lift v. 1,000 for AirLift, etc - the largest air springs on any 1/2- ton truck.

Yes, TLC costs more, but you get so much more - increased safety, better handling, steering and braking - and reports improve 0-60 and even MPG a bit.

Of course, never exceed GVWR or GCWR and check out our vendor Forum or website.

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Well, I went to the scales today with my truck. Had just me and almost a full tank of gas in it. My weights were 3100 lbs in the front, 2400 lbs in the rear, and 5540 lbs total. I figured with the wife, the WDH, and a few sundry items, I would add no more than 360lbs to that total for 5900 lbs. My door sticker reads as follows: GVWR 6700, payload 1412, GAWR Front 3700, and GAWR Rear 3900. Now I just need someone to interpret this......lol. Sounds like I only have 800 lbs available for tongue weight. Is that correct? Please give me your thoughts.
Solve your problems, increase your spring capacity by 50%. This is the cheapest, easiest route to go. Tow with confidence, your truck can handle it if you have the WDH set up properly, and the tow package installed. Look at these springs to replace to your stock springs.

http://www.sdtrucksprings.com/index....125&x=116&y=18
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Your truck will be working overtime with 3:55's, I would eagle eye the trans temp with that gearing.
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