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Old 04-17-2013, 03:30 PM
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OK, I am a newb to lifting a ram, but not a newb to lifted vehicles. I have a heavily modified grand cherokee, that in stock form, shared many similarities to the dodge front suspension.

I am thinking of lifting my 1996 long bed extended cab V10 a couple inches, mainly for looks (the jeep is my play toy and offroad vehicle, the dodge is actually just my tow rig). On to my questions:

So at what height on these trucks does an adjustable front track bar need to be used?

How much lift can you run and still use the stock sway bar end links?

What lift height are long arms almost mandatory?

For the rear, I have no experience with lifting a vehicle with leaf springs, all of my off road vehicles have been three or four linked. So are lift blocks OK, or are new spring kits better/needed?

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not many 2nd guys running around this forum with info on lifting them. Not to say there isn't... but 3rd and 4th gen guys with knowledge on lifting are WAY more common on this particular forum.

just a heads up to not be disappointed if you don't get a TON of answers quickly.

I'd love to give some input, but I don't know jack about the 2nd gens :/
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Generally anytime you go over 2-2.5" you need to address the trackbar. Keep in mind its not just the length you need to address, but the mounting as well. An adjustable will let you center the axle, but it doesnt address the fact that now your trackbar and drag link are no longer on the same plane (causeing bump steer). My suggestion would be to address it with not only an adjustable TB but to find a way to either raise the mount at the axle or lower it at the frame to keep your steering geometry set up right.

I would get longer swaybar links for any lift and as for control arms, they fall under the same rule of thumb as the TB, after about 2-2.5" you should consider getting adjustables/longer arms.
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Battle rattle does all that go for 2.5" level lift? Just curious I'm new to the lift thing
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There are plenty of guys that run a 2.5" leveling kit with nothing else, and I have been able to ride in plenty, some ride nice.....others like crap.

Do you have to have adjustable TB, Control Arms, Etc for a level lift...no....BUT if you value ride quality and actually use your vehicle off road (i.e. not just for look, but the suspension needs to perform) you will want to address the issue.

When you install a 2.5" leveling kit at a minimum you will do the following.
1. Your axle will not be centered (3/8 to 1/2" may not seem like much, but when you rub on one side and not the other you will know why!)
2. You will change your caster and your pinion angle. This MAY cause steering feel/behavior issues and can rarely cause lubrication issues for the front pinion.
3. Because your caster is changed, your toe is now changed as well.
4. Control arm angle will now be changed.

Generally a good alignment can put you back close to stock specs, but that bugs me too. If you are no longer running stock suspension why would stock settings be correct.


Here is an example of what I run on my Jeep.
4" lift
Caster set to +5.5 degrees
Toe set to -1 degree (toe out, yes!)
Adjustable TB
Track bar axle mount rasied 2"
Drag link flipped for a raise of 2.5" (puts it parrallel with the TB)

Sounds like a lot for such a small lift, but it drives down the freeway at 70 with a single finger and rides like a caddy. Keep in mind I have also changed the springs to progressive rate, valved my shocks to each specific corner of the vehicle, relocated my control arm mounts, etc.


I can't tell you how many times I have seen someone with a leveling kit that looks good, fits larger tires and rides fine on road. The second they hit a whoop off road they start rubbing tires, invert a sway bar, bend a link etc. (remeber the sway bar is a torsion spring, the difference is its unloaded most of the time). To me personally its simply worth doing right the first time.
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awesome! i want to do it right cause i love gettin her dirty main reason i bought it. its been my first n only truck i got her in 2007 and she is due for some upgrades. im replacing everything wheel to wheel. anything i should get to accomidate the 2.5" leveler? its all going to be apart. also im going to have my coils powder coated red..heat mess them up? im glad you took the time to write all that out. thats why i joined this site. mopars a big world!
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awesome! i want to do it right cause i love gettin her dirty main reason i bought it. its been my first n only truck i got her in 2007 and she is due for some upgrades. im replacing everything wheel to wheel. anything i should get to accomidate the 2.5" leveler? its all going to be apart. also im going to have my coils powder coated red..heat mess them up? im glad you took the time to write all that out. thats why i joined this site. mopars a big world!
If I were in your boat I would do the following, Keep in mind I do like overkill a little.

2.5" Lift springs (I am not a spacer fan though they do work)
Adjustable Track Bar
Adjustable Control Arms (Upper at a minimum)
Longer Sway Links (with quick disconects since your at it)
Replace unit bearings with actual hubs

As for the powdr coat, aluminum can be a concern, steel should be find as long as the oven doesnt go much above 400 degrees.
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If I were in your boat I would do the following, Keep in mind I do like overkill a little.

2.5" Lift springs (I am not a spacer fan though they do work)
Adjustable Track Bar
Adjustable Control Arms (Upper at a minimum)
Longer Sway Links (with quick disconects since your at it)
Replace unit bearings with actual hubs

Recommendations on a vendor?
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Dodge Offroad has great products for 2nd gen trucks. Danny seems like a good guy and they are reasonable.

Top Gun Customz is good too. A little cheaper, and not as quality as DOR, but still good.

Both offer kits, or you can piece together parts to build your own.

The absolute best in suspension is Carli or Thuren, but they are also the most expensive.

You don't need to replace your unit bearing hubs.
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