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Old 05-25-2013, 11:04 AM
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So I've been looking into fifth wheels for a while now, trying to decide on what I want, don't want, so on. The major thing I'm trying to figure out however is weight. If my math is correct, I'm going to max out to around 1500-1700 pin weight. Does that sound correct? Seems a little low. At the same time I'm seeing people state that 2,100 should be fine, so I really don't know where I should be looking.

At the moment I do have one in mind that has a very light pin weight (Due to the arrangement) which I actually like the layout of.

The GVWR is right around the limit, the pin weight however is around 400lbs shy of where it would normally fall with a 5er of this size. http://www.forestriverinc.com/FifthW...pe=fifthwheels

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It says the trailer is 13,460 lbs. 10 to 15% of that puts you at your projected 1500 to 1700 lbs. Your truck according to Ram gives you plenty more than that so you should be more than good to go.
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So I've been looking into fifth wheels for a while now, trying to decide on what I want, don't want, so on. The major thing I'm trying to figure out however is weight. If my math is correct, I'm going to max out to around 1500-1700 pin weight. Does that sound correct? Seems a little low. At the same time I'm seeing people state that 2,100 should be fine, so I really don't know where I should be looking.

At the moment I do have one in mind that has a very light pin weight (Due to the arrangement) which I actually like the layout of.

The GVWR is right around the limit, the pin weight however is around 400lbs shy of where it would normally fall with a 5er of this size. http://www.forestriverinc.com/FifthW...pe=fifthwheels

Thoughts?
Nice trailer. Do you have a fifth wheel hitch installed already? Just curious. I need one and not sure which brand to get. I love the forest river trailers!
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Read this post, and re-read the last sentence of the original posters comments many times, as no one seems to want to believe it when told.

http://www.ramforumz.com/showthread.php?t=142894
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I'm looking at 2500 ratings though, I know they aren't exact, I'm going more on GVWR (Worst case). If I was to go by the numbers they give, I would be looking at 18,000 lb GVWR campers with 2400 pin weight.

I'm trying to figure out what pin weight I should be good at. As my truck sits with three people in it, I have around 2500 lbs free on the back axle, I'm assuming 200-300 lbs of hitch, as well as +-10% of the given pin weight. I work on commercial scales for a living, so I know exactly how much people like to fudge numbers, be it on vehicles or otherwise.

As of which hitch, I'm leaning towards the Reese 18k with slider. I'm also considering a lower end Reese with sliders (Non below the bed mounted). The below the bed mounting is really nice, but it's almost double the price. Majority of the time I'll probably have a gooseneck hitch mounted to the rails however.

What it boils down to, I have to stay Sub 20k total GVWR, and sub 6k GVWR rear axle to remain legal. In most states I don't have to swat being weighed, but I still want to keep it under the limit. I also want the most bang for my buck, longer and higher end camper for less weight is a win in my book.
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I'm looking at 2500 ratings though, I know they aren't exact, I'm going more on GVWR (Worst case). If I was to go by the numbers they give, I would be looking at 18,000 lb GVWR campers with 2400 pin weight.

I'm trying to figure out what pin weight I should be good at. As my truck sits with three people in it, I have around 2500 lbs free on the back axle, I'm assuming 200-300 lbs of hitch, as well as +-10% of the given pin weight. I work on commercial scales for a living, so I know exactly how much people like to fudge numbers, be it on vehicles or otherwise.

As of which hitch, I'm leaning towards the Reese 18k with slider. I'm also considering a lower end Reese with sliders (Non below the bed mounted). The below the bed mounting is really nice, but it's almost double the price. Majority of the time I'll probably have a gooseneck hitch mounted to the rails however.

What it boils down to, I have to stay Sub 20k total GVWR, and sub 6k GVWR rear axle to remain legal. In most states I don't have to swat being weighed, but I still want to keep it under the limit. I also want the most bang for my buck, longer and higher end camper for less weight is a win in my book.

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It doesn't matter if the truck is a 1500 or 2500...the point was the people who make the trailers aren't really truthful in their empty weights, but most people still believe them when they say the truck can pull it to make the sale.
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Empty and dry are two different things though dry weight is before they add.. interior. Most people think it's just the absense of water.

I like the front living plan 5ers, they seem to be rear heavy with the bedroom being in the back. Seems like you can get a longer camper for less weight up front.

It's just a lot of math that's making my head hurt.

I guess I just need a bigger toy hauler
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Empty and dry are two different things though dry weight is before they add.. interior. Most people think it's just the absense of water.

I like the front living plan 5ers, they seem to be rear heavy with the bedroom being in the back. Seems like you can get a longer camper for less weight up front.

It's just a lot of math that's making my head hurt.

I guess I just need a bigger toy hauler
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The more I look, the more I like the Silverback 35FL. I thought about getting a really large TT, but I'm sure I would regret it in the OK wind.
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2012 Ram 2500
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6.7L I6 CUMMINS® Turbo Diesel
crew | 6'4" | auto |4x4
3.73 axle ratio

Max Payload
2,425lbs

Max Tow
12,700lbs

CURB weight is 7200 pounds with 1 person weighing 150 pounds
GCVW is 20,000 pounds

http://www.ramtrucks.com/en/towing_guide/

if your Ram has a Manual transmission & a different Axle ratio
the weights will change a bit

you mentioned the GVWR
you should also check the GCWR
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Unloaded Vehicle Weight 10,894 pounds

10,894
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18,394 pounds

that leaves you 1,606 pounds for your gear

If you get your water at the destination & dump it before leaving, that is quite bit of gear
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