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Old 03-13-2013, 10:21 PM
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So, I've read a few articles about how for 2013 Dodge has
strengthened the Ram's chassis by using more "high strength steel" and in the process has lowered the trucks curb weight because of that, and by using a
new aluminum hood. I thought somewhere I read the truck lost 58 lbs.

But what's weird is, on Dodge's own RamTrucks.com website this is what they list:

2012 Laramie Crew 4x2 = 5350 lbs
2013 Laramie Crew 4x2 = 5330 lbs

a modest 30 lbs decrease in weight.

But then I looked at the Big Horn and this is what they list

2012 Big Horn Crew 4x2 = 5170 lbs
2013 Big Horn Crew 4x2 = 5176 lbs

a tiny 7 lbs weight GAIN.

So what gives, how can the 2013 Big Horn with a "stronger but lighter chassis" and the use of an aluminum hood be 7 lbs HEAVIER than the 2012.

Yet the 2013 Laramie weighs 30 lbs less than the 2012 Laramie.

I'm guessing part of it is new options and so forth, since 30 lbs in a 5300 lbs truck is basically nothing, and 7 lbs in a 5170 lbs truck is essentially nothing.

But how can they advertise the truck has lost weight, when it appears it really hasn't?
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Take a look at the Longhorn, it gained a ridiculous amount of weight for all of its "weight savings". I can't remember how much it gained from last year but it was something like 50 lbs or more. It's been a long time since I looked that up.
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Interesting analysis. Curious myself.
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I looked up the 4x4 Longhorn specs again. It went from 5654 in 2012 to 5739 in 2013, a gain of 85 lbs. That makes no sense for all the alleged weight savings.

Payload in equipped trucks must be especially paltry. Every time I ask a 2013 Longhorn owner to post the payload rating off of the door sticker they don't follow through. I take it they're too embarrassed to post it.
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I looked up the 4x4 Longhorn specs again. It went from 5654 in 2012 to 5739 in 2013, a gain of 85 lbs. That makes no sense for all the alleged weight savings.

Payload in equipped trucks must be especially paltry. Every time I ask a 2013 Longhorn owner to post the payload rating off of the door sticker they don't follow through. I take it they're too embarrassed to post it.
I have seen this is a very big issue for you. I don't know that anyone is embarrassed on this board..a few might be upset with Ram's follow through.

You should be able to run down to your dealer or have him send you a PIC of one on lot. It will be within +/-10 lbs of the one you'd get with the 8 speed.
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The reason I'm curious in knowing the payload ratings of other trucks is that you can begin to deduce how much specific options weigh. Does the air suspension weigh more or less than the standard suspension? How much does a sunroof add? The ZF tranny is supposed to weigh 30 pounds less. I think I've configured my truck to where I'm going to hit my minimum requirement but I don't for sure without more data. I have looked at one at a dealer but that is only one data point.
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It was my understanding that the high strength steel was being used on the 2013 Heavy Duty trucks. The payload jumped significantly between 2012 and 2013 when I see those numbers listed, I usually don't pay attention to GVWR...
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GVWR is a darn important aspect of any truck used for traditional truck duties. Unfortunately Ram light duty trucks really suffers there in terms of the competition and in terms of past trucks (I'm convinced the move to coil springs was a major part of it). They showed they could greatly improve that aspect with their heavy duty models in 2013 but I think they missed a huge opportunity to do so with the light duty with their air suspension design.

If I buy a Ram I'm left with having to settle for removing major features I want (long box crew cab is one big one) while guessing what the weight penalty is for factory options like sunroof, air suspension, running boards and box liner. I really do like the Ram 1500 Laramie but I'm finding it very hard to reconcile buying one and hoping to do actual work with one.

And yes the 8-speed transmission adds 30 lbs over the old transmission to the payload of every Ram so equipped. Small mercy.

And it would be nice if more people here posted their payload figures from their door sticker along with how the truck was equipped from the factory (has anyone?)
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And yes the 8-speed transmission adds 30 lbs over the old transmission to the payload of every Ram so equipped. Small mercy.
Where did you read this? It was my understanding that the ZF weighed 30 lbs less. Of course I can't explain their fancy math where they make everything weigh less and yet the overall package comes out weighing more.
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Are you guys sure the door stickers will show anything but the GVWR and axle ratings? Those are the only numbers I've ever seen and they are consistent at 6800 GVWR with each axle at 3900 lbs max rating...on crew cabs with Hemi and 6 speed (have not seen an 8 speed yet). Those are the only trucks I've been looking at. Curb weight is what you probably need, and I'm not sure that number is posted on door...is it? I could be wrong, just tossing this out there. If I ever get my truck, I'll certainly post figures and pic.

FordApostate has been asking for these numbers, and he's right...no one ever posts!
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