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You could wait for the 6.4l hemi 2500 gas
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I never said that. I agree that the 2500 can carry more weight and handle it better.... but that has nothing to do with the powertrain, it has to do with the frame, suspension, braking etc. I fully agree with you on that side of it. The engine and transmission are exactly the same with exactly the same tuning. Nothing is different there, only the gear ratio might be different. So power wise a 1500 will pull just as good as a 2500 hemi.

You have to remember the OP is only hauling a 7000 pound trailer.... that's not heavy at all. If we were talking more in the 9000-10000 pound range I'd fully agree with you that a 2500 is the way to go. But at only 7000 pounds a 1500 would work perfectly fine.

Problem is that 7K might be over his trucks tow rating. People like to through around these 10k towing numbers, not understanding how that works. The only 1500 with a 10k pluss tow rating is the 2wd 8ft bed with 3.92 gears. The vast majority of ram owners have tow capacity in the range of 5-7k if they actually look at the manufacturers website.

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For being EXACTLY the same, its odd how they have different power numbers?? I wonder what the dyno charts would show???

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Problem is that 7K might be over his trucks tow rating. People like to through around these 10k towing numbers, not understanding how that works. The only 1500 with a 10k pluss tow rating is the 2wd 8ft bed with 3.92 gears. The vast majority of ram owners have tow capacity in the range of 5-7k if they actually look at the manufacturers website.

http://www.ramtrucks.com/en/towing_guide/
Yes this is true... It definitely has to be the right set up to achieve the 10,000 pound rating. But even a crew cab 4x4 SLT with 3.92 gears is at 10,100 according to that website. So it's 100% possible for the OP to get a truck with that number.


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For being EXACTLY the same, its odd how they have different power numbers?? I wonder what the dyno charts would show???

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2010present5.7 L (345 cu in) Hemi V8383 hp (286 kW)400 lbft (540 Nm)
Interesting... I wonder why they have the 2500 as less power and torque. That's the opposite of what you would want for towing. But that small difference in power/torque won't make a huge difference overall I guess.
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The problem with diesel in your case is short drives like that wont even warm up your engine and you'll clog up the DPF if you get a pre-13 Cummins, the SCR system wont function properly either without heat and if its cold enough to freeze DEF in the '13s you will be running without your emissions equipment as the DEF tank has a heater to melt the exhaust fluid before spraying. Not that I see a problem without running it, the government does.

Side note as you've heard the 2500 gas has a better cooling system, stiffer springs and all that fancy stuff. Correct me if I'm wrong but the 2009-12 1500's had the 65RFE trans, while the 2500's got the 66RFE behind the Hemi (Thats your HD gas trans, as opposed to the 68RFE/G-56 (10-12) and G-56/68RFE/Asin (13+) on the diesels)

If you can hold out until 2014 I'm sure the 6.4L will pull better than a 5.7L if your concerned with extra Oomph but cant justify diesel.
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Yes this is true... It definitely has to be the right set up to achieve the 10,000 pound rating. But even a crew cab 4x4 SLT with 3.92 gears is at 10,100 according to that website. So it's 100% possible for the OP to get a truck with that number.

yes it is, just pointing out that not all of them have the 10K tow rating as people like to claim.



Interesting... I wonder why they have the 2500 as less power and torque. That's the opposite of what you would want for towing. But that small difference in power/torque won't make a huge difference overall I guess.

Now you are starting to see where the misconception is. Those are peak numbers, they dont really mean a whole lot. When towing you want as much available torque at as low an RPM as possible (hence the prevalance of desiel).

Your 1500 has a little over 200lb/ft available at 2000rpm, my 2500 has over 270lb/ft available at 2000rpm. So though my peak numbers are lower, my usable numbers (i.e. beginning to move and cruising rpm) are much higher, hence the easier towing. when looking at towing HP is worthless, TQ is what twist tires, and on a 2500 i have 35% more available at a useable rpm.

Dont be fooled by peak numbers.
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Well number one... if you want something that isn't going to struggle with the trailer at all you will want a Cummins. Otherwise you might as well get a 1500 with a hemi because it will pull just as good as a 2500 with a hemi. A 7000 pound trailer is well with in the towing limit for a 1500 with 3.92 gears. You wouldn't have an issue with it at all.

Being that most of your driving is very close to home a diesel probably isn't your best option. They're meant to run for longer periods of time and like you said, it is harder on them to just be doing short trips like that.

So overall, I don't see the point in getting a 2500 hemi when a 1500 hemi will work just as well for you. JMO.
+1 Good advice here. Does not sound like a diesel will make good economic sense for you either, because the cost of a diesel over a gasser (Hemi) is significantly high enough, along with the added price of diesel fuel that it is likely not going to pay for itself considering the mileage and use it will receive. If you were towing much heavier, or puttiing significant miles on it, a diesel would be indicated.
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unless you plan on deleting i think your daily drive will kill you with a diesel. these new cummins dont like the short trips and will constantly clog your DPF.

if i was in your shoes i would wait for the 6.4 hemi in the 2500.
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Yes this is true... It definitely has to be the right set up to achieve the 10,000 pound rating. But even a crew cab 4x4 SLT with 3.92 gears is at 10,100 according to that website. So it's 100% possible for the OP to get a truck with that number.




Interesting... I wonder why they have the 2500 as less power and torque. That's the opposite of what you would want for towing. But that small difference in power/torque won't make a huge difference overall I guess.
Lol after reading through all of this I am glad you finally realized that the 2500 is tuned differently from a 1500.

The 2500 also does not have MDS and the 1500 does. Why the 2500 makes less power I don't exactly know but it does create more torque at a lower RPM than the 1500.

All of this is irrelevant due to the fact that the 6.4 Hemi might be the gas engine of choice for a 3/4 truck here in the near future.
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Lol after reading through all of this I am glad you finally realized that the 2500 is tuned differently from a 1500.

The 2500 also does not have MDS and the 1500 does. Why the 2500 makes less power I don't exactly know but it does create more torque at a lower RPM than the 1500.

All of this is irrelevant due to the fact that the 6.4 Hemi might be the gas engine of choice for a 3/4 truck here in the near future.
Yes, I'll admit that I never looked at the power numbers for the 2500. I just assumed it was the same. So my bad there.... MDS becomes irrelevant when towing though as it is turned off with the tow/haul button in a 1500. But even with all that information I still don't think the OP needs a 2500 as a 1500 hemi will suffice his needs perfectly.

Personally I would never buy a 2500 with a hemi.... if I was going to step up to a 3/4 ton truck for towing I would go with a Cummins no question. But that's just my opinion. I do agree that the 6.4 coming out for 2014 does make it a different argument though.
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Yes, I'll admit that I never looked at the power numbers for the 2500. I just assumed it was the same. So my bad there.... MDS becomes irrelevant when towing though as it is turned off with the tow/haul button in a 1500. But even with all that information I still don't think the OP needs a 2500 as a 1500 hemi will suffice his needs perfectly.

Personally I would never buy a 2500 with a hemi.... if I was going to step up to a 3/4 ton truck for towing I would go with a Cummins no question. But that's just my opinion. I do agree that the 6.4 coming out for 2014 does make it a different argument though.

I think we can all agree that has a potential to be a game changer!

As for why a gas 2500. I cant speak for everyone, but i can tell you why I did.

The trailer I tow several times a year is a hair over 10k loaded down. Sure it was within my 1500's capacity (10400k) but it simply towed like crap. even with trailer brakes the 1500 chassis struggled with that weight over a long distance. The 2500 just sort of grunts and goes. The 2500 tows the 10k trailer like my 1500 towed a 4k trailer. BUT, i dont tow often enough to justify the added cost of the desiel. Also keep in mind that with all the smog, DEF, recirc, DPF, etc on the modern desiel, I actually get the same mileage (sometimes better) unloaded. So the only real time it is a detriment is when towing, and even then except on mountainous terrain I still manage 10mpg with a 10k trailer.
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