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Old 07-10-2013, 03:36 PM
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Yes, I'll admit that I never looked at the power numbers for the 2500. I just assumed it was the same. So my bad there.... MDS becomes irrelevant when towing though as it is turned off with the tow/haul button in a 1500. But even with all that information I still don't think the OP needs a 2500 as a 1500 hemi will suffice his needs perfectly.

Personally I would never buy a 2500 with a hemi.... if I was going to step up to a 3/4 ton truck for towing I would go with a Cummins no question. But that's just my opinion. I do agree that the 6.4 coming out for 2014 does make it a different argument though.
Please understand this is my opinion only and I feel for the purpose of this thread it should be brought out.

You sound like someone who has never actually owned a 07+ Cummins. You sound like I did... someone who is in a 1500 and if ever gets into a 2500 will only get the Cummins.

Well I did that. I purchased a 2012 Cummins loaded to the max in exchange for an 09 Ram Hemi that looked an awful lot like the one I drive now.

I, like the OP, drive very short distances when I am not hauling a trailer or heavy load. Let me tell you.. in the 2012, at least, the truck hated that. My drive to work is about 10 miles or so... very short. The truck did not get very hot during those drives and I started to see the effects.

The DPF(Diesel Particulate Filter) started to fill up. The only way the truck can clean that filter is to get VERY hot and going into a regeneration which uses A LOT of diesel fuel. If the truck can't clean the filter it will do a few things... First it will warn you and say hey drive me like you stole me for 30 minutes so I can clean this thing or pull a heavy load for a while. If it gets clogged or to 100% it will force itself into limp mode and that means a trip to the dealer. Above all else the MPG's suffer greatly thanks to this whole emissions setup.

Now a lot of people will say, "Just do the deletes and be done with it." Well I can't because I want to keep my truck legal in TN and it has to pass emissions.

The 2013 2500's use DEF so some of my problems I experienced are eliminated but not all of them.

This is why I think the OP would be better suited for a 2500 Hemi because of the 2500's brakes, suspension, and other upgrades that would eliminate any guess work on what might get pulled behind that truck.
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Please understand this is my opinion only and I feel for the purpose of this thread it should be brought out.

You sound like someone who has never actually owned a 07+ Cummins. You sound like I did... someone who is in a 1500 and if ever gets into a 2500 will only get the Cummins.

Well I did that. I purchased a 2012 Cummins loaded to the max in exchange for an 09 Ram Hemi that looked an awful lot like the one I drive now.

I, like the OP, drive very short distances when I am not hauling a trailer or heavy load. Let me tell you.. in the 2012, at least, the truck hated that. My drive to work is about 10 miles or so... very short. The truck did not get very hot during those drives and I started to see the effects.

The DPF(Diesel Particulate Filter) started to fill up. The only way the truck can clean that filter is to get VERY hot and going into a regeneration which uses A LOT of diesel fuel. If the truck can't clean the filter it will do a few things... First it will warn you and say hey drive me like you stole me for 30 minutes so I can clean this thing or pull a heavy load for a while. If it gets clogged or to 100% it will force itself into limp mode and that means a trip to the dealer. Above all else the MPG's suffer greatly thanks to this whole emissions setup.

Now a lot of people will say, "Just do the deletes and be done with it." Well I can't because I want to keep my truck legal in TN and it has to pass emissions.

The 2013 2500's use DEF so some of my problems I experienced are eliminated but not all of them.

This is why I think the OP would be better suited for a 2500 Hemi because of the 2500's brakes, suspension, and other upgrades that would eliminate any guess work on what might get pulled behind that truck.
I definitely understand what you're saying. I agree that a Cummins is not the right answer for the OP because if the every day driving he will be doing with it. So I'm with you 100% on all your points regarding that. I just think that for a 7000 pound trailer a 1500 is more than capable.... Also because it's a travel trailer so how often is it really going to be pulled? I'm thinking (and this is a guess on my part) that the OP is going to be mainly using his truck as an every day driver not towing anything and maybe pulling the trailer a handful of times in the summer. That is the information I am basing my recommendation of a 1500 on.

If he was contemplating buying a larger trailer down the road (which is possible but wasn't mentioned) then my argument would probably be changed. But again, at 7000 pounds and only being towed a handful of times a year I just don't see the point in going to a 2500.

You are correct, I have never owned a Cummins before, it's just been a dream of mine since I was 13 years old. But I plan to get a Cummins for other reasons than towing. Sure towing is nice but I want to build one with an 8" lift and 37's and all that jazz just because it's been a dream of mine for years and I would really enjoy doing it. But back to the topic of the thread here I just feel like if you need to step up to a 2500 for tow ratings and the other added benefits you would probably be best suited with a Cummins as well to handle the weight you're pulling that much better as well. And again as I have stated, I just don't think the OP needs the tow ratings of a 2500 when he is well within the limits of a 1500.
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Old 07-10-2013, 08:34 PM
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This is a timely thread, because I'm in the same frame of mind. Going up to a larger trailer this year (~7800 lbs dry) and looking for something that pulls a little more effortlessly. My 1500 Outdoorsman does a good job with my 6000-pound trailer with its Hemi and 3.92 gears. But I do know it's back there, for sure.

Borrowed a friend's F-250 (sorry for swearing) to tow my camper last weekend, and it was a religious experience. I hope to replicate that experience with a Ram truck.

I work at home and drive the kids to school less than two miles away, and most of my trips are less than five miles. So a diesel isn't for me.

There are only two Hemi 2500s in a 100-mile radius of me, so if I miss out, I can still tow with my 1500. Strangely, the Dodge dealer in my town has something like 40 1500s on the lot. Pretty much every one of them are "pretty trucks" (not that there's anything wrong with that), but all have 3.21 gears in them and not hauling platforms. Shame, really...

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Well, finally............... an old school guy can speak.............I'm married to my 4x4 5.9 magnum, my 4x4 24 valve diesel 2500 (and as of tonight my 12 valve diesel 2500 2wd). That leaves a hemi (up or down), diesel up, dually across, for my Ram bucket list.

So as to the question starting this post, I'm left with cost, load and frequency.................. which = Hemi 1500.

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Please understand this is my opinion only and I feel for the purpose of this thread it should be brought out.

You sound like someone who has never actually owned a 07+ Cummins. You sound like I did... someone who is in a 1500 and if ever gets into a 2500 will only get the Cummins.

Well I did that. I purchased a 2012 Cummins loaded to the max in exchange for an 09 Ram Hemi that looked an awful lot like the one I drive now.

I, like the OP, drive very short distances when I am not hauling a trailer or heavy load. Let me tell you.. in the 2012, at least, the truck hated that. My drive to work is about 10 miles or so... very short. The truck did not get very hot during those drives and I started to see the effects.

The DPF(Diesel Particulate Filter) started to fill up. The only way the truck can clean that filter is to get VERY hot and going into a regeneration which uses A LOT of diesel fuel. If the truck can't clean the filter it will do a few things... First it will warn you and say hey drive me like you stole me for 30 minutes so I can clean this thing or pull a heavy load for a while. If it gets clogged or to 100% it will force itself into limp mode and that means a trip to the dealer. Above all else the MPG's suffer greatly thanks to this whole emissions setup.

Now a lot of people will say, "Just do the deletes and be done with it." Well I can't because I want to keep my truck legal in TN and it has to pass emissions.

The 2013 2500's use DEF so some of my problems I experienced are eliminated but not all of them.

This is why I think the OP would be better suited for a 2500 Hemi because of the 2500's brakes, suspension, and other upgrades that would eliminate any guess work on what might get pulled behind that truck.

Even after deletes, it still sucked waiting forever to get heat in the cab in the winter (actually have to be driving to get those motors to warm up).. Diesel is more expensive also. The only upside to the cummins at that point for me was the cool factor. 5" straight pipe and tuned it was one bad mamma jamma, best sound you'll ever hear... but... The diesel just wasn't practical for me so I "downgraded" to a 1500 Sport.

I will note, that even after 36k miles, the brakes in my cummins were twice as good as the brakes in my '13 with 8 miles on it... and 3/4 tons just look more badass than halfers.. My opinion... 3/4 ton gasser. The towing comparison as far as feel and ride goes, is not even close between 1/2 and 3/4 ton
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I purchased a 2012 1500 4x4 express because of the MPG difference from 3/4 to 1/2 ton. I to work close to home so gas was my only choice. I let my truck warm up before I go to work and come home, I also have to pick up the kid from after school activatys so my truck may not leave town for 2 weeks at a time and I still get 10 MPG in the MN winter. The 3.92 gears are defiantly the best choice for towing. I get 21 MPG on a highway only trip and 17 MPG on a town and highway trip. Pulling a 6500 pound base weight TT camper loaded with gear so more like 7500 pounds and 500 pounds of feed in the truck box ( feed was for our cattle at the show we were attending) I got 10 MPG. The truck had no problem pulling it and I am more than happy with mileage. I currently have 4275 miles on the truck so MPG may go up when broken in.
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Another option is to look for an earlier Cummins a pre 2007.5 model year with a 5.9 Cummins. They have almost no emission equipment. I bought mine about 2 years ago and had been a lifetime gas truck owner. I also have wanted a Cummins since they first came out in the late 1908's, and admit that I bought it more for the cool factor than any real need.

I also do almost all my own work on my truck and have save thousands doing my own brakes, all the fluid changes, shocks, and a couple of other problem areas on my truck. They aren't cheap to maintain. When I do tow with mine or haul a heavy load, there is just no comparision to a half ton.

Also keep in mind you have to add in all the weight when towing. People, luggage, fuel etc and you can start to get overloaded in a hurry.
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Another option is to look for an earlier Cummins a pre 2007.5 model year with a 5.9 Cummins. They have almost no emission equipment. I bought mine about 2 years ago and had been a lifetime gas truck owner. I also have wanted a Cummins since they first came out in the late 1908's, and admit that I bought it more for the cool factor than any real need.

I also do almost all my own work on my truck and have save thousands doing my own brakes, all the fluid changes, shocks, and a couple of other problem areas on my truck. They aren't cheap to maintain. When I do tow with mine or haul a heavy load, there is just no comparision to a half ton.

Also keep in mind you have to add in all the weight when towing. People, luggage, fuel etc and you can start to get overloaded in a hurry.
Those are some good trucks pre 2007.5 especially without much of the emissions equipment.
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wow, I appreciate all the responses and you all give me a lot to think about.
so i need to check out this new 2014 2500 6.4 Hemi, this thread is the first i have heard of this truck. I guess I need to do some more research.
So if i go with 1500 make sure i get 3.92 gears? I understand higher ratio equals less gas mileage but it can't be any worse than my 02 1500 5.9 magnum. I am currently getting 9.7 mpg all around...LOL
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