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Old 07-31-2013, 11:13 PM
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Just call a few dealer and tell them you want Invoice + half of holdback + any available rebates.

Unless somethings changed, If you want to drive to Baltimore, I could probably get you this from the dealer I use.
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Not a smart idea to bring "holdback" figures into ANY new car negotiations.

Car dealerships will almost NEVER allow a consumer to bring dealership holdbacks into the ultimate equation.

Research holdbacks good and well before bringing them into your negotiations.

HERE is [just] one good detailed explaination.

Also, good luck getting a brand new model year vehicle at 1K below dealer invoice. A dealer willing to do that just has NFC and his shooting himself in the foot. Not for a new year model.

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It looks like consumer reports sells invoice prices for around $14 per vehicle. Is it accurate?
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Why pay them for something you aren't sure about when you can just go ask to see it at the dealer? Especially on a 2014 Ram, they'll have to order it, you can sit right there and see the invoice price at the same time they do.

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Not a smart idea to bring "holdback" figures into ANY new car negotiations.

Car dealerships will almost NEVER allow a consumer to bring dealership holdbacks into the ultimate equation.

Research holdbacks good and well before bringing them into your negotiations.

HERE is [just] one good detailed explaination.

Also, good luck getting a brand new model year vehicle at 1K below dealer invoice. A dealer willing to do that just has NFC and his shooting himself in the foot. Not for a new year model.

Good luck ultimately
The largest Dodge/Ram dealer, in the world, does it every day... There's plenty of other dealers that go into their holdback...
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The largest Dodge/Ram dealer, in the world, does it every day... There's plenty of other dealers that go into their holdback...
Yep I totally agree. I got 100% of the hold back on my truck. The salesman and I were upfront and honest with each other. I new about the hold back and its intended purposes, and they new all they had to do was click a button to order a truck and spend 3-4 hours setting it up.

BTW I only work with internet salesman.
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How does the salesman actually show you holdback? My understanding is that is a monthly kickback based on how many vehicles they sell and other factors. I can't see a salesman knowing it, let alone releasing it. It would be the equivalent of any other company opening all of their books to the customer.

You also have to watch document fees, trade in appraisals and finance rates for the overall price. Sure they can give you $2000 off invoice, but if that is contingent on low-balling a trade by $2000 and adding 2% to your interest rate you have really not saved anything.

It does make sense that larger dealers can give better discounts based on larger kickbacks from Chrysler.

One thing I noticed in my internet shopping is that rural and small town dealers were giving me about 1% better off of invoice compared to in the metro area (Detroit). Could be lower costs for operations or other factors, or just coincidence as I only had pricing from about 12 dealers.
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How does the salesman actually show you holdback? My understanding is that is a monthly kickback based on how many vehicles they sell and other factors. I can't see a salesman knowing it, let alone releasing it. It would be the equivalent of any other company opening all of their books to the customer.
They can show it to you. It's on their invoice sheet. That sheet will show MSRP, Invoice (FWP).. At the bottom of the sheet, it will show Holdback (HB), Affiliate price (FFP), and Employee pricing (EP).

Holdback is meant to cover floor plan and other possible costs. But if a dealer sells a vehicle before these costs start racking up, it's profit to them.

The kickback you're thinking of is a bonus program (Can be monthly, qtrly, annually). Dealers get kickbacks based on the number/types of vehicles they sell... They more they sell, the more they get in kickback. Lots of larger dealers live and die on kickback alone, because they can be substantial.

I have a friend, who's family is owns part of a GM dealership. Last year, he told me they exceeded their annual quota, so they were getting their annual kickback, retro to the 1st vehicle of sold for that year... Every sales rep and got part of it too....

BTW, there can be manufacture to dealer rebates too, just like we as consumers can get manufacture to consumer rebates.

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I'm been waiting to order the rear air bag option on a new 2014 RAM 3500. Fleet manager is using "FWD(USD)" as my price. I was thinking of getting the lifetime warranty. Any ideas about best price and lowest deductible on the lifetime warranty? Also lots of good information on this post for the new buyer. Thanks, Bill
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Production is scheduled to begin for 2500/3500 Rear Air Suspension (SEB) 12/2/13. Has anyone bought the Lifetime Warranty with their order?
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