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Old 08-06-2013, 05:54 AM
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I swear I read 100k mile change in the manual. I'll look again, maybe that was the 6 speed.
The owners' manual says to change the transmission fluid at 60,000 miles if used for towing, taxis, police, or fleet. Otherwise, change at 120,000 miles. I couldn't find anything that singled out the eight speed.
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Just checked the OM and there is no text referring to the maintenance of the 8-Spd. It only discusses the checking of the fluid for the 6-Spd.
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Our avalon has a trrans that's "lifetime fluid" and is a sealed unit. It now sits at 115k on the clock.

I dug on the web and found the access cap and popped it and checked the fluid. I will be damned if it wasn't in pretty darn good shape, I pulled a bunch out with a hand pump and the stuff looked really really good. Fluid level was also where it was supposed to be.
I did not do an analysis or anything on it.

I returned the fluid to the trans, sealed it up and am driving it till it pukes.
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Our avalon has a trrans that's "lifetime fluid" and is a sealed unit. It now sits at 115k on the clock.

I dug on the web and found the access cap and popped it and checked the fluid. I will be damned if it wasn't in pretty darn good shape, I pulled a bunch out with a hand pump and the stuff looked really really good. Fluid level was also where it was supposed to be.
I did not do an analysis or anything on it.

I returned the fluid to the trans, sealed it up and am driving it till it pukes.
I'm not comfortable with that, if it had a lifetime warranty on the trans that would be one thing but after 100K you're on your own For me I think somewhere in the neighborhood of 30K I'll take it to a shop if I have to so I can get the fluid and filter changed just to be safe...
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It's kinda tough to think that way myself, but on the toyota forums there are a number of people that have successfully put some serious miles on without issue - I will grant though that it seems counter intuitive. The fluid has to wear and loose it's helpful qualities over time.

However, due to the setup, the average person cannot simply drain and fill these like the transmissions we are all familiar with. the filter is a simple (I believe magnetic) metal screen that is buried within the trans. In addition, the trans fluid is a special fluid to boot, (read $$$$) and the stealership has the only flush equipment. I went in to inquire as to a trans flush, and decided my first born was not worth the trade. So far, I have not been able to locate a transmission shop that carries the toyota global fluid, or has a dedicated machine. Apparently if you get this stuff mixed in with regular trans fluid, it does the same thing that the gold or orange antifreeze does when you get the green stuff in it...
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yeah I'm sure they make it proprietary on purpose, like HP used to do with their computers
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The fluid has to wear and loose it's helpful qualities over time.
Why? Modern technology and innovation is a wonderful thing. It is not a crazy thought that chemists have come up with new products that will not degrade. Transmissions are also now built with much stricter requirements - including cleanliness of the parts that go into them. Even a simple bolt requires cleanliness testing to ensure there are not metallic or non-metallic particles over XX microns. Opening up a sealed transmission in the wrong (non-cleanroom) environment to replace perfectly good fluid is likely to cause contamination that will cause more problems than it will ever prevent.
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Why? Modern technology and innovation is a wonderful thing. It is not a crazy thought that chemists have come up with new products that will not degrade. Transmissions are also now built with much stricter requirements - including cleanliness of the parts that go into them. Even a simple bolt requires cleanliness testing to ensure there are not metallic or non-metallic particles over XX microns. Opening up a sealed transmission in the wrong (non-cleanroom) environment to replace perfectly good fluid is likely to cause contamination that will cause more problems than it will ever prevent.
I see that side of it too. which is why I'm letting the fluid go and just keep driving it like we have for the past 7 years
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On the 8-speed trans, there is no dipstick or fill tube. Fluid level is checked by removing a fill plug on the passenger side of the trans. The level must be checked when the trans sump temperature is within a certain range (30-50C = 86-122F). Basically, you fill the trans (at that temp) until fluid is at the bottom of (runs out of) the fill hole.

Yes, the 8-speed trans is fill-for-life. The callouts for 60K / 120K service (in the owner's manual) should say "(six-speed automatic only)." You should not have to change (or check) the fluid level unless you notice leakage or trans malfunction.
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Where is there documentation stating that the 8-speed is "fill for life"? I know my owner's manual doesn't differentiate between the 6 & 8 speeds so I would like something in writing from Ram to back that up. That way, if down' the road I have a transmission failure they don't point to my owner's manual and say I didn't change it at the recommended intervals.
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