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Old 08-06-2013, 11:40 AM
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My current ford is stock and I never chipped it because I was told it would void the warranty. I never asked the dealer that question, but since I am looking into getting the Ram 2500 Cummings and was wondering if I chipped it and mainly for fuel mileage would it void the warranty? The only other modification I would do is install a K&N filter. Does anyone have the right answer?
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it will void your warranty, corporate is pretty strict with the cummins. but there are dealers who will overlook some of that stuff. ask your local dealers what their policy is.

and more importantly its CUMMINS no g in there
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hahaha sorry couldn't get past the "Cummings"

but he is right ^^^^^
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But the act of putting a tuner is well worth the risk, insane power
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MAds Smarty is all I got to say - no track in the computer, Can't beat the performance upgrade and they can't tell you did it.
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My current ford is stock and I never chipped it because I was told it would void the warranty. I never asked the dealer that question, but since I am looking into getting the Ram 2500 Cummings and was wondering if I chipped it and mainly for fuel mileage would it void the warranty? The only other modification I would do is install a K&N filter. Does anyone have the right answer?
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corporate is pretty strict with the cummins. but there are dealers who will overlook some of that stuff. and more importantly its CUMMINS no g in there
When I was still working in powertrain (not Chrysler) any powertrain warranty claims that came in for approval were reviewed and often the return of the engine controller was required for a forensics look and see before the warranty claim was approved. I doubt you will find many dealers willing to eat the costs.
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i don't believe there is a tuner out there that doesn't leave a foot print. all chrysler has to do is say the chip caused the damage and you will need a lawyer to prove other wise. even mod friendly dealers can only do so much these days to protect you. they are not going to eat a cummins re build for you. takes a good amount of mileage to break in a cummins, why not wait before you chip it. have you checked into the price of a rebuild.

a k&n air filter? you need to do allot more research before you start playing with your truck. i belive you nee a filter with a foam liner on it. last time i checked k&n didn't have a filter for a ram. the cotton will be fun to get out of your turbo and the rest of the engine though. again, breakin the engine and do some reading. lets take care of that 300000 mile torque monster engine.
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i don't believe there is a tuner out there that doesn't leave a foot print.
That would be incorrect. The Mads Smarty series downloads the entire program from your computer and replaces it with a modified version rather than a flash update of portions of the program or so that is my understanding. You must restore it to stock prior to going to the dealer and there is no footprint.

With my 2005 Cummins we tested this at a local dealer (friend was the service manager) Not even the Flash Count of the computer was changed.

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The Mads Smarty series downloads the entire program from your computer and replaces it with a modified version rather than a flash update of portions of the program or so that is my understanding. You must restore it to stock prior to going to the dealer and there is no footprint.

Not even the Flash Count of the computer was changed.
The computers on a vehicle have a small program in them called the boot loader. The purpose of this program is to allow the downloading of a secondary bootloader which takes control of the ECU for the purpose of reflashing. Each time this is done, a counter in EEPROM is incremented indicating a reflash. When I retired out of powertrain, the maximum number of reflashes was set to 255 before no more flashing could take place.

You can believe me or not, doesn't matter to me, but when I tell you that any altercation of the engine controller is noted in EEPROM of that controller. Even devices that trick the incoming air temperature sensor will leave behind a trace of interference in the computer.

I have had do several engine controller investigation before warranty repair could be approved. Not so much with the gas burners but every diesel engine warranty claim involve looking at the controllers history.
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The computers on a vehicle have a small program in them called the boot loader. The purpose of this program is to allow the downloading of a secondary bootloader which takes control of the ECU for the purpose of reflashing. Each time this is done, a counter in EEPROM is incremented indicating a reflash. When I retired out of powertrain, the maximum number of reflashes was set to 255 before no more flashing could take place.

You can believe me or not, doesn't matter to me, but when I tell you that any altercation of the engine controller is noted in EEPROM of that controller. Even devices that trick the incoming air temperature sensor will leave behind a trace of interference in the computer.

I have had do several engine controller investigation before warranty repair could be approved. Not so much with the gas burners but every diesel engine warranty claim involve looking at the controllers history.

No reason not to believe you - You may be smarter than the service manager of the largest dealership in the state

We took a stock new truck he tested whatever the hell he tested, we downloaded the program, test drove it for a day (he did, his demo) we unloaded it, and he gave it to a tech to do a "Warranty Review" and nothing was noted, he ran it himself, and said that the average dealer investigation would never determine a programmer had been installed as there was "No Foot Print"

I'm not a service tech so I took him at his word and installed it on my truck. Never had any issue so I was never reviewed by a dealer so who knows.
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