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Old 09-29-2013, 11:39 PM
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I'd like the some opinions from forum members to help me evaluate payload capacity with the Ecodiesel. My primary application is personal, generally carrying my full family, dogs, and often towing a boat. Looking at the 2014 tow weight tables, I find the following data for a Ecodiesel Crew Cab, Laramie, Rambox and short bed.

GVWR 6950 lbs (diesel models get 150lb increase over gas)
Base Weight 5922 lbs
Payload 1020 lbs

So here is my dilemma regarding payload

My family 750 lbs
Fuel 185 lbs (26 gal tank @ 7.15lbs)
Hitch 500 lbs (10% of boat and trailer)

This puts me 415 lbs over maximum GVWR! Am I missing something? There are five seatbelts in the CC, and using the standard 150 lbs per person weight factor translates to 750 lbs. Add a full tank of fuel and there is only 85 pounds left over. Less if I add options like running boards. My question to this community is if I am thinking about this wrong, or if the CC diesel really does max out as a five person passenger vehicle. If I go with the Hemi, even with the lower 6800 lbs GVWR, I gain an additional 120 lbs of payload. That increase is due to the Ecodiesel model weighing 276lbs more than the Hemi.
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Everything I can find says a GCVW of 15,650, and a GVW of 6,920lb. The 6,920lbs is the maximum payload capacity which is based off of the springs' ability to keep the body at minimum height as well as the designed load rating of the tires the factory puts on. You can easily increase this by adding a set of helper bags to brace the rear springs, as well as switching to an E range 10-ply tire. Luckily, a diesel will still happily chug along at those numbers and get better fuel mileage.

One thing to think about, if you're going to be towing and hauling that much weight around regularly, might it not be better to look at a 2500 instead of a 1500?
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Yep, 2500 is an option. I'm just thinking, from a payload perspective, that's less than many minivans. Stock tires are 2600 lbs rated - plenty sufficient for a higher GVWR. Just checked the tow tables again, 6950 is the GVWR. 6920 would be even worse. GCWR, which is GVWR + max trailer, is much higher than I need - it's really just payload that is the constraint. My available payload with my family leaves less than 100 lbs for trailer ball weight, or less than a 1000 trailer. This is where the lack of SAE standard for GVWR and payload comes into play. 1/2 ton Silverado weighs less and has a 7200 GVWR. Same with F-150, with payload packages that bring GVWR to 8200 lbs. Guess most of the folks driving around with folks in the back seat of a crew cab are at the limit with an empty bed and no trailer.
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I should mention I believe the 1500 should handle payload and towing as well as the competition. Just read the pickup trucks.com 1/2 ton shootout. My real question and purpose of post was to validate or correct me if I was evaluating the numbers incorrectly. The torque of the diesel is appealing, along with the great fuel mileage, but it's feeling like it's not an option given how I plan to use the truck.
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The only thing the Ecodiesel will do well at, is fuel economy. The towing capacity and payload are about on par with the Pentastar V6, which is disappointing.
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Where do you get your curb weight figure from?
A hemi truck is some 500# less than your figure. I don't think the Eco diesel is much if any heavier than the hemi.
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Straight from the 2014 Tow Chart.

http://media.chrysler.com/newsroom.do?id=28&mid=70

Click on 2014 Ram 1500 Tow Chart under the Product Specifications section.
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I'd like the some opinions from forum members to help me evaluate payload capacity with the Ecodiesel. My primary application is personal, generally carrying my full family, dogs, and often towing a boat. Looking at the 2014 tow weight tables, I find the following data for a Ecodiesel Crew Cab, Laramie, Rambox and short bed.

GVWR 6950 lbs (diesel models get 150lb increase over gas)
Base Weight 5922 lbs
Payload 1020 lbs

So here is my dilemma regarding payload

My family 750 lbs
Fuel 185 lbs (26 gal tank @ 7.15lbs)
Hitch 500 lbs (10% of boat and trailer)

This puts me 415 lbs over maximum GVWR! Am I missing something? There are five seatbelts in the CC, and using the standard 150 lbs per person weight factor translates to 750 lbs. Add a full tank of fuel and there is only 85 pounds left over. Less if I add options like running boards. My question to this community is if I am thinking about this wrong, or if the CC diesel really does max out as a five person passenger vehicle. If I go with the Hemi, even with the lower 6800 lbs GVWR, I gain an additional 120 lbs of payload. That increase is due to the Ecodiesel model weighing 276lbs more than the Hemi.


your calculations are spot on. Whats even worse, a f150 will have a FAWR of 3750 and a RAWR of 3850 and have a gvwr of 7350. While my 1500 has both axle weight ratings at 3900lbs. so my axles are stronger but can carry less according to dodge. The stock springs are a little weak but not bad for the ratings from ram.

You can easily add Airlift 1000s and it will keep your truck level but you'll be over your GVWR but most likely under RAWR. Its all a numbers game.

With my TT i'm actually 340lbs over GVWR but under RAWR by 260lbs under under FAWR by 500lbs. If you talk to most with heavy duty trucks they go by axle weight ratings. But no matter what you go by according to ram you'll be over GVWR and if they find out may not warranty it. Also if an accident occurs they could try to blame you...DOT around here doesn't weigh lightduty trucks and when they usually weigh trucks they go off axle weight ratings not gvwr
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Thanks for the validation. I had noticed the axle ratings for the 1500 are comparable to the F-150, which tells me either Ram is conservative with GVWR ratings or Ford/others are liberal. I suspect I'll be OK with staying withing F/R axle ratings, but will probably go with the Hemi to give me some extra payload. I was shocked to read the diesel coming in 276 lbs heavier - I had read somewhere they were within 50 lbs.
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Yeah I heard 50lbs also, i've read all pickuptrucks.com,trucktrend, and car and drivers reviews and never heard the 276 and also didn't hear about the higher gvwr. I personally believe these trucks should have a gvwr of 7000lbs or right around there.

I also have E range (10 ply rated) tires which came standard with the outdoorsman package. These tires are great, ride a little rough when aired up to 65-75 psi but when I lower them to 40-45 the ride is much better.

If I were to do it all over again I would probably just go with the full 1 ton truck as its rated and qualified to carry much more. Everytime I add something to the bed when camping I think about payload. If I had a 1 ton it wouldn't even cross my mind. I'm waiting for the reviews to come out for the 6.4 in the 3500.

I spoke with a dealer and while he didn't say I could go over gvwr he did admit that he feels ram is very conservative with ratings and ford and chevy go a little less conservative. This was after I purchased my truck and was considering upgrading to 2500-3500.
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