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If you took the same money it cost to get that 5.0 Ford to run a 12.9 and spent it on a pos 5.3 Chevy it would be even faster but thats not the point because were talking stock trucks.

It's no secret that a Ram cost more to go faster but with all trucks stock the 5.0 is nowhere near my 5.7 from start to finish!
well, according to pretty much every road test the ford and chevy are faster than the dodge, and i can attest to that in real life too, having the same truck as you, and friends having the same trucks in ford and chevy trim

not to mention the new chevy 5.3 layed down like 30more hp to the tire tuned than the ram does tuned on the same dyno
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I'll let it be known...Any stock F-150 5.0 or stock Chevy 5.3 that can outrun my Ram can have my truck free and clear...as long as they are willing to do the same! Now if your buddies trucks are stock (no tune, no mods) and actually faster it would be worth the trip to take my Ram, let me know when they are ready!


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well, according to pretty much every road test the ford and chevy are faster than the dodge, and i can attest to that in real life too, having the same truck as you, and friends having the same trucks in ford and chevy trim
Don't believe all the BS hype from "road test", these people are paid to lie to us!

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not to mention the new chevy 5.3 layed down like 30more hp to the tire tuned than the ram does tuned on the same dyno
Tuned is not stock! It's no secret that it's easy and cheap to make a Chevy faster than most other trucks.
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Old 11-05-2013, 07:24 PM
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I'll let it be known...Any stock F-150 5.0 or stock Chevy 5.3 that can outrun my Ram can have my truck free and clear...as long as they are willing to do the same! Now if your buddies trucks are stock (no tune, no mods) and actually faster it would be worth the trip to take my Ram, let me know when they are ready!




Don't believe all the BS hype from "road test", these people are paid to lie to us!



Tuned is not stock! It's no secret that it's easy and cheap to make a Chevy faster than most other trucks.
tuned for tuned
stock for stock

the ram is the slowest, we have too long of a 1st gear, and true 33's from the factory, coupled with power killing torque managment secure that

ive seen it and proved it first hand

stock vs stock, equal trucks, the new f150 and 5.3 chevy are faster than the hemi ram



and its not like im driving one of those other trucks, i still bought the ram bc i liked it more, but im not blind to facts
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oh and the road test comment, i hear that on every make specific forum when that car or truck looses a comparo.

oh noes, the magazines are out to get us bc they are unfair oh noes

the mags are alot more impartial than forums
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Your joking right? When I bought my 2010 Ram my buddy bought a 2011 Ford 5.0, we raced and it wasn't even close!
It's all about gear ratio and weight.
Did you have the 3.92 and he a 3.31? Both trucks 2WD or both 4WD?

I have driven both the 2012 Ford with the 5.0 that had IIRC 3.55 gears and
drove the 2012 Ram with 3.55 gears and the 5.0 felt every bit as strong.
Plus look up acceleration tests and times.
The 5.0 has consistently ran 0-60 in low 7s
That's exactly where the 2009-2012 Ram Hemi with the 6spd auto times are.
1/4 mile times between them are pretty equal too.
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oh and the road test comment, i hear that on every make specific forum when that car or truck looses a comparo.

oh noes, the magazines are out to get us bc they are unfair oh noes

the mags are alot more impartial than forums
Man speaks the truth.
And I am friends with one of the guys who does A LOT of the photography for some of the car mags. He gets to take cars home all the time.

The "the car mags are paid to have certain results" are made by people who really don't know the facts, that is a fact.
To claim a magazine is PAID to have a certain vehicle win a comparo because they "don't want to tick off the advertisers" is a mindless response too. Think about it, if one company, say Chevy, paid Car and Driver to make sure their vehicle won, then that would assume that the other car manufacturers DIDN'T or paid them LESS.
Either way, then the "losing" manufacturers would be ticked off and NOT advertise in that magazine.
Well guess what, all the manufacturers continue to advertise in all the magazines.
It would NOT be a secret for long if magazines were paid off for comparos.

It is absurd to think a car manufacturer pays a magazine to "win" comparos.
The integrity of the magazine would plummet and nobody would buy the magazine.
Magazines will rag on certain models and even manufacturers for YEARS, say Hyundai for a decade or more. Hyundai continued to advertise in all the magazines, and in listening to the criticism from magazines and people spent the past decade improving their vehicles to make them on par or even better than many competitors.
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Old 11-05-2013, 08:32 PM
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I'll let it be known...Any stock F-150 5.0 or stock Chevy 5.3 that can outrun my Ram can have my truck free and clear...as long as they are willing to do the same! Now if your buddies trucks are stock (no tune, no mods) and actually faster it would be worth the trip to take my Ram, let me know when they are ready!


All talk, foolish, or both?

If your truck is truly all stock and you get a comparably equipped Ford F-150 with the 5.0 with the same gear ratio (or in the Ford's case the shortest is a 3.73 I believe), your 2010 Ram would be in jeopardy of going to a new owner.
Furthermore, if you are talking the new Chevy 5.3 liter, you will most certainly lose your Ram.
The 2010 Ram even with the 3.92's will not outrun the new equally equipped Chevy 5.3 liter with the taller 3.42 axle ratio.

It take the 2013-2014 Ram's with their slightly lighter weight, slightly more aerodynamic body, and better 8 speed auto to outrun the 5.0 and new 5.3 liter trucks. The new Rams with the 8 speed auto aren't up to the EcoBoost speed yet, but not far off.
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I have killed countless 5.3's including several 2013's and not one has been within a trucks length of my Ram at a 1/4 mile. Also I haven't met an ecoboost F-150 that can keep up but if they offered it in a reg cab it would no doubt outrun my Ram.


If I'm a fool find one of the trucks I mentioned and come take it!
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I have killed countless 5.3's including several 2013's and not one has been within a trucks length of my Ram at a 1/4 mile. Also I haven't met an ecoboost F-150 that can keep up but if they offered it in a reg cab it would no doubt outrun my Ram.


If I'm a fool find one of the trucks I mentioned and come take it!
The 2013 Chevy 5.3 is rated at like 320-325 hp.
It's the 2014, the new one, that's rated at only 355 hp, but seems underrated and the Chevy is about 250 lbs lighter than the equally equipped Ram.


And this comment from you above, "I haven't met an ecoboost F-150 that can keep up" pretty much tells everyone that you are unaware.

Unless your truck is modded and you bought it used and are unaware of the modding, i'll give you a piece of advice, you will lose to an ecoboost Ford, period.

I bought a 2013 Ram Laramie with the Hemi and love it, and am getting a 2014 that's due in this week or next. I passed on the Ecoboost and the 5.0 Ford, but to discount them as you can walk away from them in your 2010 Ram with the 6 speed auto, is plain foolish or just unaware and the people you've "run" weren't really running.

Here's a few links for you:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...4-50-v8-review

In it, here's the key info:
"On the track, the 5.0 reached 60 mph in 6.7 seconds and did the quarter-mile in 15.1 seconds at 93 mph. For reference, that’s an improvement of 1.2 seconds to 60 and 1.1 seconds in the quarter compared with the last similarly equipped 5.4 we tested, and it’s in the mix with segment leaders like the Toyota Tundra 5.7-liter and Hemi-powered Dodge Ram. Interestingly, although the F-150 was 0.4 second slower to 60 than a 6.2-liter truck we recently tested, it posted an identical quarter-mile time, with a 1-mph-faster trap speed."

And by in the mix I'm pretty sure they meant slightly ahead of the Dodge Ram in 2011. As I can't find a single test of the pre 2013 Ram 4x4 QC or CC with the Hemi and 6 speed auto that has 0-60 times of 6.7 seconds or 1/4 mile trap speeds of 92-93 mph+

Here's another:
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/02...liter-v-8.html
A bit slower 0-60 (7.1 seconds) but still 92.8 mph 1/4 mile trap speed.

And Edmunds, whose times are often a bit behind competitors:

http://www.edmunds.com/ford/f-150/20...st-specs5.html

And now MotorTrend:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...t/viewall.html


They have ALL got a Supercrew 4x4 Ford F-150 to run 0-60 in 6.7 to 7.1 seconds.
All have 1/4 mile times in the low to mid 15's
All have 1/4 mile trap speeds in the 92-93 mph range.

Now I shall search for the pre 2013 Ram Hemi CC 4x4 times and see what I can get.
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2009 Dodge Ram CC 4x4 tested by Edmunds:

http://www.edmunds.com/dodge/ram-pic...oad-test1.html

0-60 in 7.6
1/4 in 15.6 @ 87.7 mph

Well, it seems it's quite difficult to find many journalistic tests of the 2009-2012 Dodge Ram.

But its safe to say that since the current 2013-2014 Rams with slightly more power, slightly less weight, slightly better aerodynamics and a vastly better 8 speed auto than the 2009-2012 Rams, aren't that much faster than the Ford F-150 5.0, that the older 2009-2012 Rams aren't going to be faster than the Ford F-150 5.0 when compared apples to apples.

You can think otherwise all you want, that's great for you. I know foolish people won't heed wise advice, but I'll give it to you anyway, I wouldn't go making the bet you are making with easy bravado over the internet in person with someone with a comparably equipped Ford F-150 5.0 and 3.73 gears. First off, doubt that bravado of yours would allow you to do it anyway, and doubtful any body else would want to risk it either.
But if you were to say, bet a few hundred bucks on it, I'm sure you'd find a Ford F-150 5.0 owner with 3.73 gears and similarly equipped truck as yours on a Ford F-150 Forum in your area that will take you up on that offer. But be prepared to lose a couple hundred bucks, as all facts and figures point to the Ford F-150 5.0 being faster than the 2009-2012 Ram Hemi. And in my test drive I did of both, the 5.0 felt every bit as quick, didn't quite have the low end grunt of the Hemi, but pulled every bit as hard as revs climbed.
Let us know how it goes, as I'm confident you'll contact someone in your area with that equally equipped Ford F-150 5.0 and 3.73 gears and do a couple rolling runs from
10-90 mph, be sure to video it.
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