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Old 10-27-2013, 02:27 AM
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Well seems Edmunds has done an early full test of the
2014 Ram EcoDiesel.


0-60 in 9.2 seconds (I know Edmunds is usually a tiny bit slow compared to other mags, but they don't "inflate" their times by adjusting them).
For comparison Edmunds got the Pentastar V6 version doing a
0-60 in 7.8 seconds.

And it tows less than the Hemi.

In their 100 mile highway loop test with the Ram EcoDiesel they got
26.1 mpg but in combined driving they got 23.something

So, basically EXACTLY as I said....the 3.0 EcoDiesel is passable in the Grand Cherokee, but put it in the bigger, heavier Ram and it's about 25 hp and 50 lbs-ft TQ short of what it really needs.

Though Diesels have great low end torque, this truck is too heavy to too little power.
Put just 500-600 lbs load in it, or just towing an empty trailer and you'll have Toyota Prius's accelerating faster than you.

Try towing a 3000 lbs trailer up a hill and Semi's may be passing you.

And for only 5-6 mpg better average gas mileage over the Hemi, plus the fact the entry cost is $2,850 more and diesel is more expensive (currently where I live about .55 a gallon more) and it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me, unless you plan to keep it for 200k miles or really only plan on carrying very light loads.


Maybe they should make a slightly bored and stroked version that's 3.2 liters and makes
the 25 hp and 50 lbs-ft torque more from the factory.
If geared a tiny bit taller in the higher gears (6th through 8th) mpg should be exactly the same as the current one on the highway and actually may get better in city as the additional power means you wouldn't have to dip into the throttle as much to accelerate the same. Just sayin Dodge...hint hint
3.2-3.5 liters would make more sense to me as well. I am still looking forward to this engine though. Excited to drive it. I think this will only be the beginning.
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In today's Sunday newspaper there was a quick write up about the Cummins going into the Nissan Titan. It is slated to have 300 HP and 550 lb/ft of torque. Those are numbers that would work in a 1/2 ton. Too bad the Titan is such an ugly truck.
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Well seems Edmunds has done an early full test of the
2014 Ram EcoDiesel.

0-60 in 9.2 seconds (I know Edmunds is usually a tiny bit slow compared to other mags, but they don't "inflate" their times by adjusting them).
For comparison Edmunds got the Pentastar V6 version doing a
0-60 in 7.8 seconds.

So, basically EXACTLY as I said....the 3.0 EcoDiesel is passable in the Grand Cherokee, but put it in the bigger, heavier Ram and it's about 25 hp and 50 lbs-ft TQ short of what it really needs.

Though Diesels have great low end torque, this truck is too heavy to too little power.
Just to be clear - you are comparing apples to oranges.

Edmunds test vehicles:
2013 Ram 1500 V6 Pentastar SLT 4x2 Quad Cab 17" tires
2014 Ram 1500 V6 EcoDiesel Laramie Longhorn 4x4 Crew Cab 20" tires and RAMBOX

Chrysler data for 2013's SLT and Laramie Longhorn:
2013 Ram 1500 5.7 SLT 4x2 Quad Cab 17" tires - 5,080 pounds
2013 Ram 1500 5.7 Longhorn 4x4 Crew Cab 20" tires and RAMBOX - 5,824 pounds
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2014 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel Review: Towing and MPG Fuel Economy

http://www.fourwheeler.com/roadtests...-fuel-economy/
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What?! Did that say the ED in Laramie Longhorn 4x4 is rated for only 7300 tow??
The 2014 Hemi Laramie Longhorn, crew cab, 6'4", 4x4, with the 3.55 is rated for 8200. I know, the 3.55 isn't available in that configuration, but at least it's apples to apples (or at least as close as I can get without more info on the ED they drove).
That's a pretty wide gap.
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I think most of us wish the Eco-diesel would come with a bit more hp and torque but in reality it may not be all that bad. I have a years experience with a 3.0L diesel so will tell you my observations. First of all it is a Mercedes-Benz 3.0L. A year ago my wife and I purchased a 2013 MB GL350 bluetec which comes with the 3.0L diesel and 7 speed automatic. The power, torque and mileage are impressive and the "brochure" weight says 5,412 pounds, so not much less than the Ram crew cab with ED will be.

I also drive a 2007 GM Denali pickup with 6.2L engine (403 hp and 417 lb/ft of torque @4300 rpm) and 6 speed automatic. I pull our 20.5' boat with the pickup. It probably weighs about 5,000# including tandem trailer, boating accessories, etc. Recently I did a comparison towing test with the pickup and the MB. When towing, I use the manual shift mode to keep it in 5th gear, or less, and with the tow-haul mode on. I was on a nearby highway with a fairly long grade. As I approached the hill, in the pickup, I was in 5th gear, doing 100 km/hr and about 2,100 rpm. When I got about 1/4 way up the hill, the transmission down-shifted to 4th and the engine revved up to about 2,800 rpm in order to finish climbing the hill at 100 km/hr.

Then I hooked onto the boat with the MB. As it has a 7 speed transmission, I down-shifted it into 6th and found that it also was doing about 2,100 rpm to maintain 100 km/hr. As I approached the hill I gave it slightly more throttle and it pulled the hill effortlessly without needing to down-shift, maintaining the speed and 2,100 rpm. I was impressed and wish I had also tried it leaving it in 7th gear to see how it would have pulled in the top gear. Will do so in the spring.

I also did another comparison test recently to determine which axle ratio I should order, when I order the new Ram ED; either the 3:55 or 3:92. I tested (2) 2013 Ram's, both with the hemi and 8 speed transmission. One with the 3:55 and the other with 3:92. Interesting results. Both have great low end power, thanks in part to the stump pulling 4.71:1 first gear ratio in the transmission. But at the highway speed the difference was noticeable. On my test route the highway has a long, slight incline. The 3:92 pulled it in 8th, doing 100 km/hr without down-shifting. The 3:55 down-shifted into 7th to maintain it's speed. On another, steeper grade, the 3:92 down-shifted once into 7th to climb the hill and maintain 100 km/hr and the 3:55 down-shifted twice, into 6th, to pull the same hill. Interestingly, I drove the same hill with the MB and it did not down-shift at all to pull the hill. The difference is the great low-end torque. The MB's 455 lb/ft of torque is from 1,600 - 2,400 rpm. (The ED's 420 torque is at 2,000 so comparable rpm). The hemi's 407 lb/ft is not reached until 3,950 rpm. I wonder how much torque it has at 2,000 rpm?

Now at 100 km/hr the MB in 7th gear is doing 1,700 rpm. Comparably, at 100 km/hr, the 3:92 Ram also runs at 1,700 rpm in 8th gear and the 3:55 Ram runs at 1,500 rpm. From the testing I have done I have decided I will order the ED with the 3:92 rear axle ratio. I want the pickup to have as close to the same pulling power as our MB as I want to use the pickup for towing. With the MB we don't have a choice in rear axle ratios but MB saw it in their wisdom to gear this vehicle as described above. For those of you concerned about acceleration and towing ability, I would recommend the 3:92, IMO. MB claim in their sales brochure a 1 - 100 km/hr acceleration of 8.4 seconds. Hopefully the Ram will be comparable with the 3:92 ratio.

As far as fuel mileage, I have gotten as high as 30 (Imperial) mpg on the highway and it usually averages about 28 mpg on freeway driving. Around town, even in the wintertime I have gotten 20 mpg.
I hope this information helps and can't wait to place an order.

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Old 10-28-2013, 07:18 PM
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Wow - thanks Ron for the great write-up!! Much appreciated. The added info helps. I'm on the fence myself. I really want a chance to at least drive the ED Jeep and then the same thing in a Hemi.
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Before I ordered my Laramie CC with 3.92 I did analysis on payback vesrsus diesel. The diesel option is a $4,000 premium in Canada. Diesel is a 10-12 cents per litre premium. i gave the diesel a 4 mpg advantage and like some i had to figure the extra monthly payment that i had to make for the 4k premium. i couldnt get a payback on the gas savings versus the extra payments and fuel cost. This didnt include the more expensive maintenance costs.
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Before I ordered my Laramie CC with 3.92 I did analysis on payback vesrsus diesel. The diesel option is a $4,000 premium in Canada. Diesel is a 10-12 cents per litre premium. i gave the diesel a 4 mpg advantage and like some i had to figure the extra monthly payment that i had to make for the 4k premium. i couldnt get a payback on the gas savings versus the extra payments and fuel cost. This didnt include the more expensive maintenance costs.
In Ontario diesel is on par most the time or slightly cheaper. Makes the decision easier... Also remember maintence intervals are further apart than gas so that's more likely a wash...

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i really wish people would stop buying into and then spreading the misconception of the "higher maintenance cost" idea. i own a diesel and find the annual maintenance cost to be less than my old gas truck but i run Amsoil and only need to change the filter and oil once a year or every 24,000 miles. Maybe the only added maintenance on mine is fuel filters but i buy them in bulk so maybe cost $10/yr.
total annual maintenance for my duramax is around $130-$150 i think?
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