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Old 09-01-2013, 12:23 PM
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I also wanted the 3.55 axle ratio and it makes absolutely no sense why the axle is offered in the lower model Ram's with the Hemi but not in the Laramie. It looks like it will be offered with the diesel later this year as well, when it becomes available. I have been dealing with this since Feb, 2013 when I ordered a 2013 Ram 1500 CC Laramie 4X4 with the 8 speed and 3.55 axle. During the order, it actually showed the 3.55 axle was standard and the 3.21 axle was nowhere to be seen on the order form. I learned after the truck was built and waiting to be shipped that it was actually built with a 3.21 axle. (Lots of people in that boat!) Management from Chrysler got involved and after it was determined the axles couldn't be swapped at the factory, they cloned my order and built me a new truck with the 3.55 axle in 3 days. That portion of my dealing with Chrysler was awesome and they were very responsive. Unfortunately, the truck arrived damaged and both passenger side doors had to be re-painted. The repair was unsatisfactory, so I didn't take delivery on the second order. Now, I have a 2014 Ram 1500 cc 4x4 Laramie on order (my last try) and I'm back where I started-no 3.55 axle. I too ended up ordering the 3.92 axle as the tow capacity with the 3.21 axle is too low. The 3.92's will tow about 4,000 pounds more than the 3.21. I am a little puzzled why the Ram 1500 with the Hemi/6 speed transmission and 3.55 gears tows 2,000 pounds (8450 lbs) more than a Hemi/8 speed with 3.21 gears (6400 lbs)?

Wow, you've had it bad.
Gotta tell you, after 6 weeks of dealing with a bad paint job, NAV screen that failed in 24 hours after delivery and still no fix, I actually asked Chrysler to buy my truck back and give me my money back.
I'll be honest, I am primarily a Ford guy, and I passed on the F-150 because it's "dated" not only on the interior but exterior is too boxy.
Love the EcoBoost engine for it's power and speed, but it doesn't have the V8 rumble and sound I like. I've never owned a pick up truck before, but the EB V6 just didn't seem or feel right in a truck for it's sound alone.
I know there is a new F-150 coming April or May of next year as a 2015, but I'd be hesitant to buy a first model year vehicle (at least in the first 6 months to see and make sure bugs are worked out).

So that led me to the Ram. It looks the best of the trucks, and the Hemi sounds great. It's power is there too.
But I've worried about Chrysler quality and these issues with the 2013 solidify that. I've learned much of it is Quality Control issues because the plant workers are pissed that early this year their schedules changed and they don't like it (so they are apparently taking it out on the customers of Chrysler...that isn't so smart now is it?)

I was actually ready and called my local GMC dealer.
i don't like the looks of the new Silverado as much as the Ram, but the GMC version looks better in front and has a bit nicer interior.
The 5.3 is rated at only 355 hp, but the truck is 300-400 lbs lighter than the RAM, so it's power to weight ratio is very much like the RAM with the 395 hp Hemi.
It gets 1 mpg better gas mileage and with the 3.42 axle ratio, accelerates a touch quicker than the RAM with the 3.55's but probably a touch slower than the RAM with the 3.92's...so that's a wash since it's so close.
The GM truck is apparently very quiet and rides very good.

So I was actually ready to get my very first GM product since I had (for a very short time) a Chevy S-10 Blazer back in the early 90's (hated it, the 2.8 liter V6 was a dog, traded it back in after only 3 weeks of ownership).

But Chrysler wouldn't give me my money back, they've stated they'd allow me to switch into a new Ram. So I'm going with the 2014 and a bit begrudgingly need to get the gas guzzling 3.92 axle ratio that I don't need.
But like you, to me the 3.21's are a bit too tall, and makes for the slowest V8 powered truck on the market. Heck a Pentastar V6 with 3.55 axle wouldn't be too far behind it.
Ford's F-150 with the 5.0 would pull on it a bit, and the EB would embarrass it.
The new GM twin trucks would walk it easily too, same goes with the Tundra.

That's why the 3.55 was my choice. Makes the Hemi faster than the 5.0, equal to or a bit faster than the GM twins with the standard 3.08 axle ratio that I'm sure 70% of them will have, and should also be a bit faster than the Tundra.

Well, guess I'll see in the coming two months or so how the 3.92's are.
If the 3.92's get 1 mpg less gas mileage on average than the 3.55's, it'll require an extra 1.5 gallons of gas for every 400 miles driven.
In a 10,000 mile a year driving average, that's only an extra $100 a year, or roughly $2 a week. Not a huge amount I know.
And that may be worth it to pull a bit on another new truck owner who is tailgating and thinks he's going to go around me. hehe
I'll definitely performance test the two trucks (my 3.55 vs the 3.92 and see what the numbers say and what the improvements are with the 3.92's)
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Old 09-01-2013, 11:52 PM
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Well, like one member mentioned, maybe the engine will spend more time in V-4 mode with the 3.92 gears at highway speeds since it won't lug as much as a truck with the 3.21. I read where another member mentioned his truck with the 8 speed and 3.21 axle had to shift down one or two gears going up grades and I'm sure it's due to the lower RPM's. I had a 2011 Ford F-150 Supercrew 4x4 with the Ecoboost motor and a 3.55 axle and it was a pulling machine. Unfortunately I couldn't keep a transmission in it and they were never able to resolve a driveline shudder on take off so it went back. It had a lot of first year issues so I would definitely wait on the new Ford and GM products until they've had a chance to get their bugs worked out. Especially the new direct injection motors in the GM trucks. The Ram by far is the nicest looking truck and has the nicest interior with some features the other two don't even offer. That's kept me coming back for one more shot at it and hopefully this one will be it. Now if they'll just build the darn thing!
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I would venture what you are suggesting might be part of the reason.

With the 8 speed auto and the 3.21 gears, the Ram truck actually accelerates faster than the 6 speed auto with the 3.55 gears.

So for Chrysler, the "base" or "tallest" gears (3.21's) now offer better acceleration and better gas mileage than the outgoing 6 speed with 3.55's
But the doesn't explain the reasoning to eliminate a perfectly good option.

See for me, the old 6 speed auto and 3.55 gears truck accelerated decently, but not great. The 8 speed auto with 3.21 gears is a fraction better, but not enough.
The 8 speed auto with the 3.92 accelerates great, but also gets the worst gas mileage.

So the best option is right down the middle, the 8 speed auto with the 3.55 gears. You get noticeably better acceleration than the 6 speed auto with 3.55 gears (actually, the 8 speed auto with 3.55 gears probably accelerates faster than the 6 speed auto with 3.92 gears), plus you get better gas mileage with the 8 speed 3.55's than you do with either the 6 speed auto with 3.55's or 3.92's or the 8 speed auto with 3.92's.

So that's the reason I got my 2013 Laramie with the 3.55's, it's the best combo of all gear options.
And since I won't be towing anything even moderately heavy (over 5000 lbs), nor do I live at higher altitudes or the need to pull up steep mountain grades, the 3.92's are not really needed for me.

I guess if I had to choose, which it looks like I'm going to have to when Chrysler swaps out my 2013 for a 2014, I'll go with the 3.92's.

My guess it was a manufacturing cost cutting option for Chrysler.
Not having to offer 3 axle ratios on many of the trucks is probably saving them money, since the $50 option price for the 3.55's or 3.92's, clearly isn't a money making price. But I'd of just preferred them to raise the option price of the 3.55's and/or 3.92's to like $150 then, and keep the 3 axle ratio options available.
Thought you might want to know the 8 speed 3.92 I have now with less than 300 miles on it gets the same MPG as the 8 speed 3.21!!! Both of the trucks are Averaging 18.2 MPG in a Hill country environment.
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I drove a 2014 Silverado LTZ with the 3.42s. It is a dog compared to my 2005 Ram. I was VERY disappointed. The interior was sub-par and the windshield had an imperfection that almost made you sick to drive it.
I had a Tahoe LT for quite a while... you can keep anything GM and all their electrical problems.
Looked at Ford also... might have tried the EB, but a class-action lawsuit scared me off.
I live in the mountains (for the east anyway) and pull a trailer all winter. I'm probably better off with the 3.92... just thought the 3.55 was a nice compromise.

Someone above asked why the 6 speed with 3.55s is rated more than the 8 speed with 3.21s. THat's easy... a tranny will only take so much... a slower rear end takes an enormous amount of strain off the transmission.
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Thought you might want to know the 8 speed 3.92 I have now with less than 300 miles on it gets the same MPG as the 8 speed 3.21!!! Both of the trucks are Averaging 18.2 MPG in a Hill country environment.
There are hills in Ohio?
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I have the 3.92 gears in my 2013. Don't sweat the 3.55 not being available. Just be glad you can get the 3.92's
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Thought you might want to know the 8 speed 3.92 I have now with less than 300 miles on it gets the same MPG as the 8 speed 3.21!!! Both of the trucks are Averaging 18.2 MPG in a Hill country environment.

That's also good to know, but in hill country I can understand why the 3.92 is getting as good as gas mileage as the 3.21.....probably because the transmission doesn't have to drop down a gear or two as often as the 3.21 to keep the truck at speed. Therefore the 3.92 is able to stay in a higher gear and keep pace, therefore not revving as high as a 3.21 that would have to drop a gear (or two) lower to keep the same pace. That gear or two lower would certainly mean higher rpms and worse gas mileage.

The only other time a shorter gear ratio may get better gas mileage is when accelerating or pulling weight as you don't have to dip into the throttle as deeply to attain the same acceleration, therefore saving a bit of gas.

I won't sweat it anymore.
After thinking about it, even on flat land (where I live) and driving 70% freeway, like I do, the truck is replacing my occasional car, not the family hauler, and I will only average about 6,000-7,000 miles a year on it.
The difference in gas that the 3.92 will cost over the 3.55 in that distance is probably like $75-80 a year. Not enough to worry about.
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After thinking about it, even on flat land (where I live) and driving 70% freeway, like I do, the truck is replacing my occasional car, not the family hauler, and I will only average about 6,000-7,000 miles a year on it.
The difference in gas that the 3.92 will cost over the 3.55 in that distance is probably like $75-80 a year. Not enough to worry about.
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This is pretty much where I am. For the little extra cost, I'd take the extra power when I need it, and the less wear & tear on the transmission and engine.
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There are hills in Ohio?
Yes Big Hills in Southern Ohio!!!
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South-East maybe....closer to the mountains. not so much in the Cinci area.
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