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Old 09-02-2013, 10:27 PM
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I am in the market for a new truck and I have been reading as much as I can about the new Diesel engine. The one question that I still have is how is a diesel for stop and go city driving? I drive 12,000 to 15,000 miles per year and 80% of my mileage is city driving with multiple short trips throughout the day. Will a diesel run optimally under these conditions or am I better off with the Hemi engine?
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That kind of driving is typically problematic for at least the newer eco diesels with all the emissions do-dads. To mitigate the effects, you should plan on some regular highway runs and either adding a load or towing will help.
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That kind of driving is typically problematic for at least the newer eco diesels with all the emissions do-dads. To mitigate the effects, you should plan on some regular highway runs and either adding a load or towing will help.
Your thought has been what I've been thinking to, until just now... I'm talking literally just now.

I see tow trucks and delivery vehicles, in cities, that are diesel and that's all they do.. lots of short trips... Maybe it's not as bad as what we're thinking... Shoot, in Europe, diesel vehicles make up 50% of the vehicles on the roads. If there were major issues with diesels and city driving, I doubt they'd be so popular there....
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Your thought has been what I've been thinking to, until just now... I'm talking literally just now.

I see tow trucks and delivery vehicles, in cities, that are diesel and that's all they do.. lots of short trips... Maybe it's not as bad as what we're thinking... Shoot, in Europe, diesel vehicles make up 50% of the vehicles on the roads. If there were major issues with diesels and city driving, I doubt they'd be so popular there....
Most of this statement is true except...

The Europe diesels are on a MUCH smaller platform than what you will be going after. You are talking a 6.7 vs a... 2.8 lets say. Massive difference in the time it takes for the engine to warm up and get to operating temp. Also I don't know if they follow the strict emissions law we have here.

Also you are correct about the trucks you see running around in the city doing stop and go but again... they are all under load. Running hard soon as they are started and stop and again. Your truck won't have any load... just itself.

In the past if you bought a diesel it was to work it. Those trucks like to get hot and they like to be ran.

Since your truck will be city driven I imagine you will need more DEF fluid since the emission system is dependent on heat.. at least the DPF filter is. So it will be relying mainly on the DEF fluid if the truck doesn't reach operating temp all the time.

Just a few things to think about.
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I think the OP was speaking of the Eco-Diesel which is small..... That's what really got me thinking stop and go city driving will be fine.

As for European diesels... They're the ones that started with the DEF crap.. We were more worried about particulate matter ... hence the low sulfur and now ultra low sulfur diesel... But yeah.. European diesels have had DPFs and DEF systems longer than us..
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Well, when I get mine heated up to 190 it's happy. But I also haul about once a week and hit the interstate. It's most happy at 70+. It does fine in the city once it's heated up, but if it's a quick stop I leave it running and the wife stays with the truck. Now sure, it's a 5.9 but there's still maintenance on it. I'll know shortly, I'm fixing to turn it into a daily driver (19 MPG no load no matter what I do). Just bought her a Hemi though, so I'll have options. R...
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IF you are talking about the NEW 3.0 ECO DIESEL
it should handle city driving just fine & on the Highway you should be very impressed

They will start putting them in the RAM 1500 this month i believe
maybe start seeing them in November ??
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I had a 6.7 cummins that saw 80% unloaded city driving, with most trips less than 4 miles. I never had an issue with regen or emissions equipment. Newer diesels will regen at idle if they need to. No more hit the highway withing 5 miles or your screwed, take it to the dealer kinda stuff.
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IF you are talking about the NEW 3.0 ECO DIESEL
it should handle city driving just fine & on the Highway you should be very impressed

They will start putting them in the RAM 1500 this month i believe
maybe start seeing them in November ??
This I suspect may be true, since it would be impractical to put a diesel in a Jeep Grand Cherokee and 1500, vehicles likely not to receive the heavy use the HD are designed to get. It will be interesting to see how they perform under frequent short mileage, stop-n-go and not a lot of heavy use.
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