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Old 09-13-2013, 04:04 PM
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Default Do Hydrogen cell mods work?

Does anyone have any experience with adding a hydrogen fuel cell mod to significantly increase your MPG? They taught amazing results, but curious if there is any real life experience with similar products.

I am planning in future years to go all out for MPG mods and this one will obviously be something to at least research. Tuner, CAI, exhaust, TBS, tonneau, and potentially this item.

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Old 09-13-2013, 05:46 PM
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On my 2003 Ram 1500 (with Hemi), I built a hydrogen cell (browns gas) on small scale using electrolysis. The cell was easy to build and produced a decent amount or hydrogen which did help with mileage a decent amount. The tricky part was building the pulse width modulator to optimize hydrogen production. Took me 3 failed attempts before I turned to an electrical engineer from a local tech/robotics school to build something that worked great. If it is in your budget I suggest getting a professional system installed and not building one yourself.
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I think one of the better companies I researched was Gorilla Hydrogen Cells
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So let's see.. you're using engine power to make Hydrogen, to burn in that same engine to gain power??

Personally I don't see how it's going to help... It takes power to make Hydrogen and when you do a power transfer, you always lose some power...
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So let's see.. you're using engine power to make Hydrogen, to burn in that same engine to gain power??

Personally I don't see how it's going to help... It takes power to make Hydrogen and when you do a power transfer, you always lose some power...
You are using battery power not mechanical power/engine power (with the exception of the alternator recharging the battery) which I would assume draws minimal power. It's great technology to make a hybrid. There are some people running solely on hydrogen and getting great engine life and power, I don't think it's mainstream yet because our gubberment hasn't found an effective way for them and their influencers to get rich of it.
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You are using battery power not mechanical power/engine power (with the exception of the alternator recharging the battery) which I would assume draws minimal power. It's great technology to make a hybrid. There are some people running solely on hydrogen and getting great engine life and power, I don't think it's mainstream yet because our gubberment hasn't found an effective way for them and their influencers to get rich of it.

What does Government have to do with it? It's not like they've made it illegal... Nothings stopping anyone from doing it.

As for it running of the battery... Sure it is.. But that battery is running off the engine, just like you stated. And even if it just used excess available power, it can't generate enough Hydrogen to make a difference. If it could, especially with the upcoming CAFE rules, you'd see auto manufactures adding it all their vehicles..

Bottom line is that you can't get more power out, than what you're putting in..
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Crabjoe, why can't you get more out of it then you put in? I am NO expert, but the theory of using one type of energy from your alternator to convert water into hydrogen, and that hydrogen increases the effeciency of the fuel to air mixture sounds valid.

The big question is how much does that hydrogen mixture improve mpg? If it does work, then other questions like how many amps off the alternator does it use come into play.

Does the science of it work is my big question?
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What does Government have to do with it? It's not like they've made it illegal... Nothings stopping anyone from doing it.

As for it running of the battery... Sure it is.. But that battery is running off the engine, just like you stated. And even if it just used excess available power, it can't generate enough Hydrogen to make a difference. If it could, especially with the upcoming CAFE rules, you'd see auto manufactures adding it all their vehicles..

Bottom line is that you can't get more power out, than what you're putting in..
I was simply stating that the government has a track record of not supporting things that do not directly correlate with more money for them and would actually take away from one of the major money makers for them. It does work, is fairly common practice in Australia and Africa, they are also gaining popularity in the trucking community.
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Does anyone have any experience with adding a hydrogen fuel cell mod to significantly increase your MPG? They taught amazing results, but curious if there is any real life experience with similar products.

I am planning in future years to go all out for MPG mods and this one will obviously be something to at least research. Tuner, CAI, exhaust, TBS, tonneau, and potentially this item.

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ZMW - just to clear things up. Are you suggesting incorporating a hydrogen fuel cell to the current gasoline engine as a retro-fit?

OR do you think the battery/alternator could power a hydrolysis "kit" that "dribbles" hydrogen in to the engine-air-fuel system?
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On my 2003 Ram 1500 (with Hemi), I built a hydrogen cell (browns gas) on small scale using electrolysis. The cell was easy to build and produced a decent amount or hydrogen which did help with mileage a decent amount. The tricky part was building the pulse width modulator to optimize hydrogen production. Took me 3 failed attempts before I turned to an electrical engineer from a local tech/robotics school to build something that worked great. If it is in your budget I suggest getting a professional system installed and not building one yourself.
SoCalExpress - would you mind posting up some photos (or video) of what you set up?

Please clarify what you mean with (exact quote) "did help with mileage a decent amount"
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