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Old 10-24-2013, 09:00 PM
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The 11.5 mph is per the overhead computer. Computers never lie.
Yeah my computer calculates pretty consistently 1 mpg higher then the calculated by hand.

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Old 10-24-2013, 10:08 PM
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Hopefully this will help a bit.

I have owned two Dodge 2500 diesels, an 02' and an 05'. Both of those trucks I modified to make about 500hp and 900ftlb's at the rear wheels. Needless to say, they would tow anything I put behind them. Mostly I tow a 14' enclosed snowmobile trailer, sometimes with sleds in there, or sometimes I use it for work to transport kitchen cabinets. While it is not terribly heavy, maybe 4000-5000lbs, it is a big wind load on the highway.

I ended up trading the 05' a few years ago for an 11' Ram 1500 with a 5.7, 3.92 gears, 4x4, quad cab, and 5 speed auto. That truck actually pulled my trailer with those loads pretty well. The 5.7 needs high rpm's to make power, but the power was there to maintain speed on hills. The 1500 did not have the suspension to handle the load though.

I traded the 11' for a 13' Ram 2500, crew cab short bed, 4x4, 3.73, 6 speed auto in June. The 2500 is a better fit for what I use my trucks for, but the 5.7 in my 2500 is much more sluggish than my 11' was. The 2500 is about 1000lbs heavier than the 1500 was, but the worst part I believe is the excessive torque management programed into the 2500. I could tell the power was there, because at about 3500-4000 rpm's it fell like some one turned on a switch to unleash the power, plenty of power there to do the job. The 11' 1500 was no where near this bad in regards to the TQ management. The 1500 was actually fun to drive around.

I installed a Volant intake, and a Corsa cat back exhaust. This did help a little bit, but the TQ management was still a problem for me, untill a few days ago. I installed a Bully Dog tuner on my truck and it does help a lot in the TQ management department. I only downloaded the regular (20hp) tune, but the truck doesn't really need more hp, it just needs to be able to use the hp it is capable of making. I'm finally happy with my truck now!
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02, I was in your same situation. I had a 12 2500 CTD, about 11K on it. Was in the shop most the time I owned it. They finally bought it back and I got the 2013 5.7L. with 3.73. Yes you can feel the difference in towing, but the 5.7L does pull my 10,000lb TT with no problems. Only get about 9 MPG. RPM's will scare you a little, but they are built to perform at higher RPM's while towing. I do miss the EB but not the head aches of owning a CTD. Cheaper on maintenance, cheaper on gas, and as a daily driver it performs well. I was able to get a much nicer truck too for the money. It is a 6,500LB truck so it can be sluggish on take off unless you want to push it. It'll go just fine. You'll see you MPG drop but it'll get off the line no problem. All in all I'm very happy with it. Oh and with winter on it's way. I'm excited about not waiting 20 min for it to get to engine temp too! I may try another CTD in the future but not the near future! Hope this helps.
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Hopefully this will help a bit.

I have owned two Dodge 2500 diesels, an 02' and an 05'. Both of those trucks I modified to make about 500hp and 900ftlb's at the rear wheels. Needless to say, they would tow anything I put behind them. Mostly I tow a 14' enclosed snowmobile trailer, sometimes with sleds in there, or sometimes I use it for work to transport kitchen cabinets. While it is not terribly heavy, maybe 4000-5000lbs, it is a big wind load on the highway.

I ended up trading the 05' a few years ago for an 11' Ram 1500 with a 5.7, 3.92 gears, 4x4, quad cab, and 5 speed auto. That truck actually pulled my trailer with those loads pretty well. The 5.7 needs high rpm's to make power, but the power was there to maintain speed on hills. The 1500 did not have the suspension to handle the load though.

I traded the 11' for a 13' Ram 2500, crew cab short bed, 4x4, 3.73, 6 speed auto in June. The 2500 is a better fit for what I use my trucks for, but the 5.7 in my 2500 is much more sluggish than my 11' was. The 2500 is about 1000lbs heavier than the 1500 was, but the worst part I believe is the excessive torque management programed into the 2500. I could tell the power was there, because at about 3500-4000 rpm's it fell like some one turned on a switch to unleash the power, plenty of power there to do the job. The 11' 1500 was no where near this bad in regards to the TQ management. The 1500 was actually fun to drive around.

I installed a Volant intake, and a Corsa cat back exhaust. This did help a little bit, but the TQ management was still a problem for me, untill a few days ago. I installed a Bully Dog tuner on my truck and it does help a lot in the TQ management department. I only downloaded the regular (20hp) tune, but the truck doesn't really need more hp, it just needs to be able to use the hp it is capable of making. I'm finally happy with my truck now!
Thanks for the information all... Sorry I haven't kept up lately, but life keeps getting in the way.

I really don't pull my trailer that often, and when I do, we don't really go very far. I am fortunate to live in an area that is surrounded by lakes and great hunting, very close to my home.

The torque management is also an issue on the new CTD's, in first and second. Once you get it moving, you can actually use all the torque that is there, and there is plenty.
I'm still waiting to see if they are going to buy back my 13 CTD. I took it in the shop on 10/11, and it is still there, and not fixed.
I went to the dealer on Friday and told them it wasn't fun any more, and I wanted a different truck. Hopefully will hear something on Monday
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Old 10-27-2013, 09:57 AM
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I own 3 hemis , 2003-2500 with auto and 4.10s, 2006 2500 with 6 speed manual and 3.73s, 2012 with auto and 3.73s- They all tow daily, average load is 6500 lbs. They have all towed 14,000 lbs. (I'm aware its over the tow rating) and they do great. Don't be afraid to hold the gas peddle, or pump gas, and everything will be alright.
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Road trip to Ocala 99 miles each way. Still a very consistent 11.5 mpg. Our 1500 only got 10 mpg with the gooseneck. The tow mode doesn't seem to effect mileage but does improve driveability. The last leg of our trip gets kinda hilly, no problems at all. I continue to be very happy with this truck. On the way back from Ocala last week my wife averaged 14.5 per the overhead computer. I guess 10 ply tires at 70 psi are the original Low Rolling Resistance tires.::smiley
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I tow 9500+lbs with mine periodicaly. Honestly I have no trouble keeping up with any of my buddies cummins trucks. 5.7 and 545rfe handle the load just fine. I dont get the fuel mileage they do, but that is why I bought the 5.7 (had to have the Power Wagon), I dont tow often enough to justify the added cost of the diesel. I do have the 4.56 gears, but the 4.10s will do just fine as well.


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Battlerattle, awesome truck. When it was time to upgrade from the 1500 I wanted a Power Wagon badly. Since I tow more often than I battle I went with the plain ol' 2500 SLT 4X4.
Adding to my earlier post... I just received the build sheet email and it looks like I have the 3.73 ratio axles. So I guess I'll get better mileage but have a towing capacity of just 8,600 pounds. It's a trade off. If I ever get a larger trailer I guess I can always regear.
I just hope they don't pull my Burly Man card....3.73 very embarrassing.
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In May I purchased a new 2013 Ram 2500 Crew Cab 4x4 with the 5.7-Liter Hemi, 6-Speed Automatic Transmission and 3.73 Rear Axle Ratio. In June I left Arizona and spent the next 3 months traveling to and all around the Northwest pulling a 6000 lb. Travel Trailer. The trip put approximately 6500 miles on the truck. I have no complaints about the truck or its ability to handle the towing. When towing at higher altitudes (above 6 thousand feet) the engine felt like it needed a boost. My only complaint was the gas mileage which averaged 9.3 MPG for the trip.
After I returned home I went back to the dealer where I purchased the truck and traded it in on a new 2013 Ram 2500 Big Horn Crew Cab 4x4 with the 6.7-Liter Cummings Turbo Diesel Engine, 6-Speed Transmission and 3.42 Rear Axle Ratio. My gas (diesel) mileage (for app 1700 Miles) which has only included app 150 miles of towing is 18.3 MPG.
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I'm also curious about the 6.4 Hemi. $1,500 seems kind of steep for the modest boost in power (410 hp, 430 ft-lbs), but I haven't seen dyno charts so maybe the torque comes on strong at lower RPMs. Would definitely be nice to have something to fill the towing gap between the 5.7 and Cummins.
The 2014 6.2 chevy 420 HP 460 torque,21 MPG in 1500. I think ram has been bested .
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The current issue of Truck Trend has a side bar article on the 6.4. It basically states that the 6.4 2500 is slotted between the 1500 and 2500 diesel for some one who tows large loads infrequently and doesn't want to pony up $8,000 fr the diesel option. Also, that the 6.4 is more fuel efficient because it matches the 5.7 torque at 1,000 rpm lower. We'll see.
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