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Old 12-22-2013, 11:55 AM
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Got some reading to do,but i did read the last one posted already,and disagree with it.
Calling 500 hours the equilivent of a 100,000 miles is a huge stretch,so that study becomes irrevelent in my mind,it now becomes the study the author wants it to be.

Asur think Propane,no differance in valve life between Propane or Ethanol.

So the last one posted becomes null and void IMO.

Now onto to reading the other links.

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Old 12-22-2013, 12:07 PM
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All I did was post links on the subject, Those links are not necessarily my point of view but more information that is available out there for people to read and make there own decisions. I Am as other, E should be for specifics and not for everything, but people have the right to know, if ethanol will create problems then it should be indicated as such, if it will not it should be tested and shown as such. We should have the freedom of choice and not the have it forced down anyone's necks.

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Old 12-22-2013, 12:22 PM
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LOL,sorry Asur i didn't mean for you to think i was taking a swipe at you.

I went through all your links,not one of them changes my mind,that the push to kill E15 is being done by the Auto industry with Scare Tactics.
The second to last link is the best,where the Stock Car racers have been using E15 for the last 3 years.
That's a testement to it's use

Sometimes when it comes to the enviroment,giving people choices doesn't work,it has to be mandated.

I will say there could be problems with implementing it at stations with-out the proper tanks and systems,but that's about it.
If you can run an automobile on Propane,it should handle E15 easily

Food for thought,we used to have a 1919 Rummely tractor on the farm,the tractor had the capability of running on everything from basically turpentine to heating oil,with nothing more then a carb pill change,if they could build tractors a 100 years ago with the ability to live with differant fuels,should be no problem now
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LOL,sorry Asur i didn't mean for you to think i was taking a swipe at you.

I went through all your links,not one of them changes my mind,that the push to kill E15 is being done by the Auto industry with Scare Tactics.
The second to last link is the best,where the Stock Car racers have been using E15 for the last 3 years.
That's a testement to it's use

Sometimes when it comes to the enviroment,giving people choices doesn't work,it has to be mandated.

I will say there could be problems with implementing it at stations with-out the proper tanks and systems,but that's about it.
If you can run an automobile on Propane,it should handle E15 easily

Food for thought,we used to have a 1919 Rummely tractor on the farm,the tractor had the capability of running on everything from basically turpentine to heating oil,with nothing more then a carb pill change,if they could build tractors a 100 years ago with the ability to live with differant fuels,should be no problem now
No problem bro, was just making it clear for everyone that that info was for anyone to look at and enjoy. Reps to you bro as soon as the site lets me. Good thread
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I would think the best thing to do would be to ask your local dealership to check into it.
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I would think the best thing to do would be to ask your local dealership to check into it.
Which dealership would that be.
Ford and GM are going to give you differant answers then Dodge.
Chyrsler says it'll void their warrenty,Ford and Gm say they'll honor their warrenties.
So which dealer should we be asking?
If it comes down to a court case Chryco doesn't have a leg to stand on if Ford and GM honor warrenties.
They've set a precedent which will screw Chyrsler from screwing us the consumer
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LOL,sorry Asur i didn't mean for you to think i was taking a swipe at you.

I went through all your links,not one of them changes my mind,that the push to kill E15 is being done by the Auto industry with Scare Tactics.
The second to last link is the best,where the Stock Car racers have been using E15 for the last 3 years.
That's a testement to it's use
And how long do these engines last before a rebuild? Also were these engines built to run on E15 or were they built before E15 and just crossed their fingers that E15 would be fine?

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If you can run an automobile on Propane,it should handle E15 easily
So how much would it cost to convert an existing engine to run Propane? If an existing car has seals, and what not, that don't meet E15 specs, how much will it cost to replace all the seals hoses and what not?

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Food for thought,we used to have a 1919 Rummely tractor on the farm,the tractor had the capability of running on everything from basically turpentine to heating oil,with nothing more then a carb pill change,if they could build tractors a 100 years ago with the ability to live with differant fuels,should be no problem now
They still make engines that can run multi-fuel, but they are purposely built and usually for the military. That old 1919 tractor engine ran multi-fuel because it was low HP (low rpms and low compression) and built like a tank. It probably ate fuel, like it was free and had terrible emissions... Is that what you want, just to run E15? Multi-fuel engines don't make economical sense, when you them to meet durability, fuel efficiency, and emissions...
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I've yet to meet anyone over the past 20 years who experienced engine or emission problems specific to ethanol. I've used a 10% blend since it came out, guess I've just been lucky.

Also, I'm not understanding this "phase separation" the gal on Fox is talking about, she must drive on much smoother roads than I do.

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I know I'm in the minority here, but I want a high ethanol content in my fuel, in fact, for me, the higher the better. Then again, I have a PTFE lined fuel system and a pump that will handle the additional fuel requirements. Can you imagine, I could up the compression from my 9.64 to 10.75 with a set of Thitek heads, keep my 12psi D1SC, run nitrous, AND still have the equivalent of 105 octane

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And how long do these engines last before a rebuild? Also were these engines built to run on E15 or were they built before E15 and just crossed their fingers that E15 would be fine?

LOL,that ones not worth answering.




So how much would it cost to convert an existing engine to run Propane? If an existing car has seals, and what not, that don't meet E15 specs, how much will it cost to replace all the seals hoses and what not?

Everybody already has E85 compatiable vehicles out.
So where's the cost to convert come into play,they should already have decent seals/hoses etc.
Valves and seats are already compatiable with E85 or Propane in most vehicles



They still make engines that can run multi-fuel, but they are purposely built and usually for the military. That old 1919 tractor engine ran multi-fuel because it was low HP (low rpms and low compression) and built like a tank. It probably ate fuel, like it was free and had terrible emissions... Is that what you want, just to run E15? Multi-fuel engines don't make economical sense, when you them to meet durability, fuel efficiency, and emissions...
Oil and Gas industry has multi fuel too.
Who said anything about them being economical,no where in the conversation did i say anything about economical.
Until you can vary compression ratio's of an existing engine on the fly,mutli-fuel is at best a compromise.
Most of the readily available alternative fuels are higher in octane but produce less BTU's per gallon then gasoline,so they aren't going to generate the same mileage per gallon.
Takes heat to make an engine a heat/air pump,less heat =less horsepower
To maximize the potential of alternative fuels the compression ratio should be adjusted upwards.Tough to do on a running existing engine.

And we're back to Ford and GM are honouring warrenties,then there's Chyrsler.
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