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In September I lifted my '06 Ram 1500. I went ith a 6'' BDS with every option available and 37x17'' Trail Grapplers on 17x9'' XD Addict wheels. I have been snapping wheel studs like crazy. First I snapped 4 of the 5 on the passenger side driving home from work. Fortunately I stopped in time and had to have the truck towed. I replaced all 5 studs with new ones and put on new lug nuts. It seems to be ok. Last night I was driving home from work and I felt the familiar shudder of the steering wheel and stopped the truck. I was down to 1 lug nut. I stopped the truck and had to have it towed again. I just ordered another box of wheel studs to replace the driver's side and I have new lug nuts at home to put on. The truck only has 57,500 miles on it and 3,000 miles of those are after the lift and tires. I am clueless as to why this is happening and now I wonder if the truck is safe to drive. I haven't been offroad yet and we haven't had much snow. ANYONE that can shine some light on this, please help me out!!
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Are your new wheels hub centric, or lug centric? If lug centric have you got the right lug nuts? The cone type - self centering ones?

Sounds like your setup has slack that has the wheel moving around and systematically over stressing the studs.
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Are your new wheels hub centric, or lug centric? If lug centric have you got the right lug nuts? The cone type - self centering ones?

Sounds like your setup has slack that has the wheel moving around and systematically over stressing the studs.
This ^^ sounds like you have some play in there and given those 37s weigh a ton, that is likely your culprit.
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Also, did the manufacturer of your XD Addict wheels provide hub centric rings?
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One last thing, some shops can only balance hub centric wheels, so if you're running lug centric wheels, and didn't order hub centric plates for them your 37's might be out of balance which must only be potentiating the problem!
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So it's happened twice. If the wheels are hubcentric, I would say that the lugnuts are being over tightened. Or they're not tight enough. Maybe they didn't get checked a couple hundred miles after being installed? Are they being put on w an impact gun?
If they aren't hubcentric, I agree with the gents above.
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Hub-Centric:

Nearly all OEM Wheels are designed to be hub-centric. The automaker designs an OEM wheel to fit on a certain car or range of cars. The center bore of the wheel is sized to fit perfectly onto the axle of that car. This is a hub-centric connection, as the wheel is centered by it's connection to the axle hub. The lugnuts hold the wheel firmly to the mounting plate, but it is the wheel-to-axle connection that actually holds the weight of the car. This is quite an important distinction, as the lugnuts are designed to handle lateral forces that push the wheel away from the mounting plate. The forces that the hub and center bore connection are designed to withstand the weight of the car forcing downward and impacts forcing upward are at right angles to the forces that the lugnuts are designed for.

Lug-Centric:

Hub diameter is therefore an extremely important consideration when fitting new wheels, whether OEM or aftermarket. If the hub diameter is smaller that the axle, the wheel will simply not fit. Most aftermarket wheels are therefore made with larger hub diameters to ensure that they will fit on a wide range of cars. This means that when the wheel is installed, there will most likely be a space between the axle and the hub instead of a firm contact. The wheel is therefore lug-centric, as the wheel is centered by the lugs rather than by the hub. There are some people who will say that driving on lug-centric wheels doesn't really matter as long as the lugnuts are the self-centering cone type, as they will adequately center the wheel. These people are wrong. Driving on lug-centric wheels means that any impact will apply shear force to the lug studs, forces at 90 degrees to those the studs are designed to handle. This can cause the lug studs to bend, leading to a vibration in the car as the wheel slips around on the mounting plate, and possibly damaging the wheel's center bore if it has enough play to contact the axle. To prevent this kind of thing, aftermarket wheels will usually need hub-centric spacers, small rings of metal or plastic made with various inside and outside diameters so as to fit inside the wheel hub and then fit over the axle, making a lug-centric fitment into a hub-centric one. Some aftermarket wheel makers advertise that all of their wheels are in fact hub-centric what this means is that they provide the proper spacers for the customer's car, not that they custom-make their wheels for the many hub diameters out there. Most good wheel retailers, online or otherwise, will provide the correct spacers as part of the fitment package. If you do need to shop for a set, try one of the better online stores. In Real Life, most tire retailers will also either carry spacers or will know who does. Do not make the mistake of thinking that spacers are optional equipment, or that a retailer is trying to upsell you on some useless accessories. Hub-centric spacers are actually about as necessary for aftermarket wheels as lugnuts are. Keep the proper fitment for your wheels and you'll be driving happy for a good long time.
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I feel so lost now. This is way more involved then I thought it would be. How do I determine if the new wheels are hub centric or lug centric? The factory wheels that I took off were the 2006 17'' aluminum wheel, the standard from what I am told for my model truck. The lugs that came off the factory wheels were conical at the end which would suggest the factory wheels were lug centric, correct? The lug nuts that were supplied from the online dealer with my new wheels and tires are not cone shaped like the factory ones.
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I'd pick up the phone and call your supplier regardless of what you hear here, from us. A reputable reseller of your wheels should bloody well know, or be able to look up, what you'll need precisely in regards to hub centric rings, or conical nuts and supply with everything you need. I'm not saying they care, or know off the top of their head, but if you call up and present them with what sounds like a litigation minded rant, and ask to speak to a supervisor, you may be able to bend an ear.

STOCK wheel are hub centric. The centric word just means HOW something centers itself. So your STOCK wheels use the HUB to center the wheel. In other words the HOLE that slips onto the axle JUST fits, with very LITTLE space .. essentially sitting snugly on the axle thereby CENTERING itself by virtue of that SNUGNESS.

BUT often aftermarket wheels are NOT hub centric because the HOLE in those aftermarket wheels does NOT fit snugly. WHY? Because the manufacturer made the hole OVER SIZED so it fits MORE types and sizes of axles.

SO knowing this, you can see WHY you need one of two corrective measures:

1) HUB centric RINGS, which are installed by your tire shop and allow the after market wheel to slide SNUGLY onto your axle, INSTEAD of it fitting LOOSELY like it would WITHOUT the rings!

2) USING CONICAL lug nuts which are CONE shaped so AS you tighten them then automatically CENTER each stud hole on each stud. Once you've tightened them all EVERY lug nut is CENTRED around each stud.

By taking these corrective measures with aftermarket wheels you PREVENT the type of issue you seem to be experiencing because everything stays TIGHT, and does NOT have any lea way to begin exploiting the looseness in the system - the space between your axle & wheel hole, OR the space around your studs in the wheel bolt holes.

MAKE the call! BUY what you need to protect your equipment and your life. Keep this thread open when you call them for reference.
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Thank you thank you thank you for explaining all this to me. I don't usually need things broken down Barney style for me but without it in front of my I just couldn't visualize what you were telling me. I am at work all night but I will call the wheel supplier tomorrow when I am home. I'll keep you guys updated as to what I find out and the solution to this mess.
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