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Default 2009 SLT, DIY "Spray in" (roll-in) bed liner coming, a few questions...

Ok, so last summer, my buddy brought me is 05 Ram Single/SWB 1500 4x4 Sport in Yellow. He told me he wanted a bedliner. We went to autozone and looked at a couple of different brands, and Herculiner stood out as a winner. For $79.99 for a gallon+$39.99 for an extra quart, we did his entire truck bed. Herculiner seems to be (by my eyes) identical to a spray in bedliner in every way, except its application. It is rolled on with a special paint roller (everything is provided in the kit for $79.99), and the corners/hard to reach areas get dabbed on with a paintbrush. Believe it or not, That bedliner looks amazing. It took a gallon+a quart to cover up the yellow, and we had to do some rust repair because it had a plastic bedliner in it (like mine ) prior to him deciding to do a real liner. I challenge anyone to tell the difference between his roll on, and most spray on bedliners. It seems to be durable too. We have been tossing crap (you name it, its been in there) into that truck box for months now. We have scraped snowblowers across the tailgate, thrown cinder blocks and large rocks into the bed, and not so much as a nick. For $150 (ish), and a weekend, it looks entirely professional, and still to this day I can't believe it isn't.

So...I want to do it for my 2009....but there are a few problems with this idea. First, the bed rail caps. Yeah, those fugly plastic things that go along the sides of the bed, and along the tailgate? I want them gone, I want to put the Herculiner over the bed/gate rails like I did on my buddy's 05. However, they appear to be inlaid into the body. It looks like if I remove them, the bed sides are going to look really, really funny. Has anyone taken their 09+'s bed rail covers off? How did you do it and whats it look like under there? If I have to leave them on I will, but I really want the Herculiner over the sides of the bed and gate about 1/2 an inch down if at all possible, without looking like a total tard.

Next question is, does anyone have any LONG TERM experience with Herculiner? Is it durable for at least 3-5 years? I mean hell, for the price, even if I have to redo it every 2 years or touch it up every year, I can live with that, it sure beats $800 for a Rhino lining.

Does anyone know of a product thats just as good but cheaper? or have had better luck with a product slightly more expensive? The herculiner has been decent, the key is to follow the directions precisely.

And lastly, does anyone have a pic of a 2009+ Ram without a box-style bedliner in it? I want to know what kind of angles and stuff I will have to cover so I know about how much I need to buy. Because once I start this, I cannot drive the truck again till its dry, and Autozone is 15 miles from here.

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Herculiner is identical to a spray in bedliner in every way, except its application.
No, that's totally incorrect.

Herculiner (specifically) is a moisture cure solvent based polyurethane. Actually, it's almost a third solvent (72%), so for every gallon of Herc you buy, you're really only getting 3/4 of a gallon of actual bedliner material, the solvents evaporate away. Herculiner is not even near the durability of professional bedliners (see below). Herc recommends two coats which is 29 to 39 mils thick. That's not a "bedliner", that's a slip resistant surface. 39 mils is .039 inches. Dry time is 1.5 to 3 hours, full cure is 4 days.

Compare to LINE-X: LINE-X is not moisture cure, does not contain any solvents, and contains polyurethane and polyurea. Dealers apply about 8 gallons in a truck bed, the floor is about 125 mils which is .125 inches. So, to get the same out of Herculiner, you'll need to buy about 10 to 11 gallons of Herc. According to Herc's specifications, the Taber abrasion was 30.5 grams lost, LINE-X is only .1525 grams lost. That's a HUGE difference. LINE-X's heat/high pressure application is a superior method, other professional companies use the same method. LINE-X gives you a nationwide limited lifetime warranty. Herc, no warranty. Dry time is 4 seconds, full cure is 1 day.

With Herc, you will need paper, tape, gloves, rollers, and about 2 days. LINE-X takes about 2.5 hours while you sip on a Frappuccino.

If Herc works for you, then that's great, but it's not in the same league as a professional bedliner.


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No, that's totally incorrect.

Herculiner (specifically) is a moisture cure solvent based polyurethane. Actually, it's almost a third solvent (72%), so for every gallon of Herc you buy, you're really only getting 3/4 of a gallon of actual bedliner material, the solvents evaporate away. Herculiner is not even near the durability of professional bedliners (see below). Herc recommends two coats which is 29 to 39 mils thick. That's not a "bedliner", that's a slip resistant surface. 39 mils is .039 inches. Dry time is 1.5 to 3 hours, full cure is 4 days.

Compare to LINE-X: LINE-X is not moisture cure, does not contain any solvents, and contains polyurethane and polyurea. Dealers apply about 8 gallons in a truck bed, the floor is about 125 mils which is .125 inches. So, to get the same out of Herculiner, you'll need to buy about 10 to 11 gallons of Herc. According to Herc's specifications, the Taber abrasion was 30.5 grams lost, LINE-X is only .1525 grams lost. That's a HUGE difference. LINE-X's heat/high pressure application is a superior method, other professional companies use the same method. LINE-X gives you a nationwide limited lifetime warranty. Herc, no warranty. Dry time is 4 seconds, full cure is 1 day.

With Herc, you will need paper, tape, gloves, rollers, and about 2 days. LINE-X takes about 2.5 hours while you sip on a Frappuccino.

If Herc works for you, then that's great, but it's not in the same league as a professional bedliner.
See, this is why I ask these things. Seems more of a instance of not conveying my thoughts as clearly as I should. I understand its probably not in the same league as a pro. I should have said "It SEEMS to be identical..." that would be a more truthful statement. I have edited the original post. Fact of the matter is, I do not KNOW the differences, but they look the same to me and likely to the average consumer as well, so my apologies for the miswording. Now where can I get this Line-X? Google FTW.

Is Line-X a spray in? or can I roll it on like herc? I dont intend to be doing any serious hauling in the bed, I just HATE the plastic bin thing. I dont do construction, I haul lumber every now and then and concrete/gravel once in a while...just average truck bed use. Would you say I should go ahead and pop for the pro job? Or will herc fit the bill? My biggest thing is, I dont want to have to pay more to get the crap off if I end up needing a heavier duty liner later on.
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Rhino should not cost you $800. I got a really good deal on mine ... About $385 out the door. I think typical cost is about $100 more.

I have it in my '09 but I warn you that the beds are all different shapes depending on exact option combo. You probably don't want to remove the rail caps unless you also want to get some body work done. My understanding is that there are holes they are mounted in that go all the way through the rails. Take a peek under the lip and you will see what I mean.
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I have a Line-X spray in, i really like it & if you should some how gouge it, they fix it for you, Dodge paid for it, instead of tossing in the POS drop in plastic thing

The new Rams will have a spray in if requested

If i didn't need a spray in, i could have put in a damn good alternative, its called a BedRug & has a Lifetime warranty, some dealerships will get it & install it for you, but, some members in here have installed it themselves
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Rhino should not cost you $800. I got a really good deal on mine ... About $385 out the door. I think typical cost is about $100 more.

I have it in my '09 but I warn you that the beds are all different shapes depending on exact option combo. You probably don't want to remove the rail caps unless you also want to get some body work done. My understanding is that there are holes they are mounted in that go all the way through the rails. Take a peek under the lip and you will see what I mean.
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I did not buy my truck new, and in Northern NY, there are only 2 places that do spray in liners within a 100 mile radius. The competition is an hour and a half drive. So they can charge more or less what they want. I wish I was back in TX, competition keeps prices low. LOL. I may just go ahead and do either Rust-O-Leum Road Warrior or Herculiner, havent really decided yet.
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There are pictures of my 2009 in my gallery
http://www.ramforumz.com/PHOTOPOST/s...php/photo/2313

It's Ultimate Xtreme which is a hot spray-in very similar to Line-X. The spray-in applications allow you to be a bit more creative (if you're interested). I did a stencil in mine. Line-X now comes in UV-resistant colors as well. There are all kinds of options limited only by your imagination and, in some cases, pocket book.

I would recommend a spray-in. Even though you don't think you'll need their durability, you'll do something with it and cut/peel it. With a professional installation, you can get it fixed (usually for free). Prep work is VERY important with all bed-liners (except the drop-ins and bed rug). If you don't get a good 'tooth' they won't stick and they'll peel in a short time. Install problems would be covered by warranty (I think Rhino, Line-X and Ultimate all have limited lifetime warranties now).

Unless you're up for some creative body work (which it doesn't sound like you are), you don't want to mess with the bed rail caps. They are held on @ (4) points by plastic, square profile push-lock pins. When removed, they leave behind (4) 1/2" square holes that have to be plugged before you put on the bed-liner. Also, the caps are indented into the bed side (as you've already noticed). That little recess that would be left when removing the cap would ruin the lines of the bed, IMHO. I don't think you'll like it.

There is at least (1) company that makes a replacement cap out of polished SS, I believe, that doesn't look too bad. I wasn't digging the shiny look so I didn't get them. They sit inside the existing recess thus preserving the lines of the bed. The thought had crossed my mind to get a pair and have them sprayed prior to installation. That might be a consideration. I don't know what you'd be looking at in terms of cost though.

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You could also check out Vortex spray in liners. They are a portable unit that can come to you to spray. Cost around me is around $350 lifetime warranty too.
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