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View Poll Results: Who would like to see Rams in aluminum bodys ?
YES, MAKES SENSE 21 32.81%
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Aluminum Bodies are for sports vehicles

Have you seen the Ford 150 that went through a car wash with the spinning brushes
there was enough downwards pressure that the antenna on the fender was pushed right through the aluminum
http://www.*****************/article...f-150-antenna/
http://www.motortrend.com/news/drive...ew-ford-f-150/

When my Ram was getting my bumpers changed over to a different style at a body shop
A 2016 Ford F-250 Construction Service Vehicle came in because it had a damaged side panel on the bed.
The body shop replaced the side panel, painted it & sent it back to the happy customer

I went back to the body shop 2 months later to get an estimate on a touch up paint job on my other Ram.
That same Ford-250 was back in the body shop, the weight of the service equipment, compressor, welder, etc. had caused the whole bed to crack down the middle.

Only well equipped body shops can work with aluminum, Ford has to send anything with an aluminum body out to be repaired & those well equipped shops charge dearly to work on the aluminum repairs
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Really unsure and that is not a choice. Happy with my steel body. I don't see the bed holding up to denting real well with an aluminum floor but I suppose a piece of plywood and a bed mat would cure that. But then you are adding weight again. Saw a post somewhere about a Ford going through a carwash and the antenna ripping out and causing $6,000 damage to the side of the aluminum body, that is not particularly attractive. Like the idea of no rust but then again my '96 is rust free although it is garaged every night. What do you think the gas mileage increase might be? In addition aluminum body work is pretty pricy.

GTyankee beat me to it.

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I am not sold on the aluminum body. I see Ram going to more aluminum body parts but not the bed. I think the jury is still out on the Ford. I would like to see the trucks in a few years, see how the paint holds up as well as the body, yes no rust but the still corrode. See how insurance costs on the Fords are as well as more expensive to repair.
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I would love to see my reg cab 5.7 hemi in aluminum body as it is a sport truck. It would break 0-60 in 5 seconds
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The whole reason that Ford went to the Aluminum body was because all pickup truck manufacturers made an agreement to comply with the same Standards when rating their published Tow/Haul amounts

Dodge engineers actually under rated the Rams
GM was pretty much close
Ford made outlandish claims & every year they won awards that they didn't not deserve

Then all manufacturers agreed to set a Standard
They agreed upon rules for the new Standard called SAE J2807

Ford could not meet the new Standard unless they some how lost about 600 pounds of weight, so they went to the aluminum body & lost 700+ pounds

http://articles.sae.org/13365/

the actual Standard

http://standards.sae.org/j2807_201205/
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Thanks for the link GT.
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I'm not as old as many of you, but apparently I am just as crusty.

When I returned from deployment last Summer there was a dent in my tailgate that my wife claimed to know nothing about (riiiight ).



Obviously that was unsat, so I called the PDR guy and had him come out the first weekend I was home. He drove a Ford 6.0 (said its a good motor once you do all the upgrades...I didn't get into how that's exactly the reason its not a good motor since he was fixing my truck) so we got to talkin' about the new Fords and what its like to repair them. He said that steel is easy to work with because it has memory so you are just popping the metal out to where it was prior to the dent. Aluminum has no memory so he basically has to reshape the metal, requiring much more work, so he charges 50%-75% more depending on the location of the dent to fix it.

Mine got fixed good as new:





Body work is much more expensive on aluminum so I think a lot more work trucks that would otherwise get fixed will be driving around with more severe than usual body damage because the cost/benefit would require more to justify.

Also, while tow cap/payload are increased, it does not necessarily make the new Fords (or aluminum body vehicles) better tow vehicles. Take an 8,000lb trailer and tow it with a 3/4 ton and a 1/2 ton-both gassers with the same engine-and see which does it better. The weight is well within the capacity of any 3/4 ton and almost any 1/2 ton, but the 3/4 ton will be much more controlled and easier to tow with because it has more weight so it does not get pushed around as easily by the trailer.

Also, they say "military grade" which, I think everyone who has ever served knows is just a marketing ploy to appeal to people who don't realize that very often service members buy their own stuff to use instead of issued gear because there is better stuff available on the civilian market. Basically, both 6000 and 7000 series aluminum are both "military grade" and are used in various applications. 6000 series is much cheaper, can be welded, and is much softer so tooling cuts it like butter; but its also not as tough. 7000 series cannot be welded (except certain subgrades by non conventional and expensive means) but is much tougher and harder. If you are into AR-15s you will know that the higher quality receivers are made from 7000 series aluminum and are more expensive as they are regarded as better. Ford uses 6000 series aluminum in their trucks.

I do think it would be cool if they used hard anodized aluminum for the body panels instead of painting them-but it would add expense and look unconventional compared to normal paint so a lot of people probably wouldn't like it.

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The whole reason that Ford went to the Aluminum body was because all pickup truck manufacturers made an agreement to comply with the same Standards when rating their published Tow/Haul amounts

Dodge engineers actually under rated the Rams
GM was pretty much close
Ford made outlandish claims & every year they won awards that they didn't not deserve

Then all manufacturers agreed to set a Standard
They agreed upon rules for the new Standard called SAE J2807

Ford could not meet the new Standard unless they some how lost about 600 pounds of weight, so they went to the aluminum body & lost 700+ pounds

http://articles.sae.org/13365/

the actual Standard

http://standards.sae.org/j2807_201205/
Yeah the amount of weight Ford lost was greater than the gain in towing/payload which indicates they were overrated before the J2807 standard was adhered to by all manufacturers. Ram's went up compared to the pre-J2807 ratings.
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Lots of old Land Rovers around locally, they were a common vehicle for beach use back in the day. Bodies were aluminum. Damage to the front end was usually repaired with new panels and dents on non bolt on panels sometimes got repaired. It was explained to me years ago by a body guy that the aluminum stretches when hit making it hard to repair. Between the stretching and lack of memory, discussed by Thunderhorse, makes it difficult to repair. Will be interesting to see how that is reflected in insurance rates.

Interesting, to me anyway, the bodies on the Rovers didn't rust but the frames would rust out over time. The British military versions had galvanized frames I believe.
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