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I am totally sad to see this happen, and yet again, another aftershock. It's sad to destruction anywhere in the world, or to see pain and suffering. I do however, have to agree with the statements stated above..looking it through the other side. These things happen all over the world, are mentioned for a day, and forgotten of in a matter of days. I don't think countries should be favoured like that, and should be treated all the same. What pisses me off, is our countries pour so much out to other countries just to look good, and forget about people and the problems that they have at home.
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Well the way i see it is countries trying to help out. Sorry GOV. helping out. You all are right in saying what you believe. Alot of it is absulutley true. here in canada justice isnt the way it should be. We have our poor like evrywhere else. But yet we have criminals hard core some of them. They are better off then some children here and adults for that matter.They have rights........WHAT........you took them away from your victims and you have rightsf@#k. The U.S gets its fair share of destruction and devistation as well. Were is all these countries that were helped out by them. I think sending some...aid and help is a great thing but you gott to remember your own home. You cant spend all your money and forget your mortgage payment. Correct.No ones going to bail you out. Sad thing is in Haiti...most people want to see the death,sadness and destruction. Why? i Havent a clue. Sorry venting again.
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I TOTALLY agree!!!! Funny thing is, when Katrina hit the things we are seeing in Haiti happened here. I don't recall a huge global out pouring for the Katrina victims but every time there is a calamity else where in the world we are supposed to ante up and help. Sorry but I am not feeling it either......
Good point, and like you, I'm tired of the bleeding heart mentality, because, bottom line, we can no longer afford it. Granted, I gave a little money myself, but I have for a long time been saying we need to start taking better care of the people in our OWN country.

The similarity in the Haiti and Katrina events is, anytime the government gets involved, the whole situation becomes a freakin' logistical nightmare. How is it that we have all the technology in the world to kill as many people as possible, but seeing as how we're already on the ground in Haiti, why have we not been able to save more, and with all of this same technology, why is it so difficult to airlift supplies in? Honestly, to the government: Move over and let the military take care of it, at least they know how to make a decision.

Anyways, back to the original topic, a 6.1, to me, doesn't seem like an "aftershock." Granted, I have never been in an earthquake, but isn't that a quake all on its own?

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This may come off as wrong to most of you and heartless to some of you but just a point of view.

There are earthquakes all over the world all the time. A recent one in China left alot of people the same as those in Haiti. This country has alot of it's own problems right now. California with the rains that will cause alot of mudslides. Children on the streets because their parents lost their jobs. People dying in a war leaving family members at home.

What is this country doing for THIS country??? Giving money away that we don't have. Send the military there to help out with search efforts....fine. But sending millions of dollars to help rebuild with everything that is going on in the country???......pointless.

Now as I said this probably came off as heartless and wrong, but I believe this country is more important than a 3rd world country that can never do anything in return except ask for more.
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Being from the caribbean I just want to share my perspective. I know that what happened with Katrina was horrible and yes we have a lot of problems here with the US. Unemployment, poverty, homelessness, crime, corruption, immigration, and healthcare. But we can't compare the resources that we have here in the US to Haiti. Haiti is a hell hole of poverty compared to the US. They have no resources and produce no product to support their economy. After the French left Haiti on their own, it's been one scumbag president after another. Not to mention the series of hurricanes that hit them. I can honestly say that if no one, including the US did nothing for Haiti, all those people would surely have no hope.

One of the great things about America is that when someone is in trouble, we are there. But at the same time, it pisses me off that we help everyone and don't do enough for our own. How come teachers, cops, firefighters, and military do not get paid what they deserve, while we send billions of dollars everywhere else? Why is there never enough money for education? Why are there still volunteer fire departments instead of having paid firefighters? Why can't we have more help for the homeless who are mentally and physically sick? Why don't we take better care of our war veterans?

But my point is that if we don't help Haiti, then shame on us. We have it so good here in that we can pick up the phone and call 911 and help gets to us in minutes. Those people have 1 doctor per 5k people. Every Hatian I've known and I've worked with are very hard workers. They are decent people. Haitians that cross the border into the Dominican Republic do it to get work to have a better life. They don't go to get on welfare.

When you walk down the street and see someone on the floor, you just don't walk by and leave them there just because you'll never see them again to get repaid.

Anyways, to those of you that are able to donate money, water, food, or clothing, thank you for you help.

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I have a difficult time with comparisons between Katrina and Haiti. I've been through New Orleans many times, and the one thing that always struck me about that place is this: so many people did not have to die here. They could have evacuated, and yet they did not. Why? It's not as if the city hasn't known for decades, if not centuries, that a strong hurricane would effectively flood the city. The residents of NO had ample warning, they knew the storm was coming. No doubt the relief effort there was flubbed on an epic scale, but I still go back to the basic premise that so many did not have to die.

Haiti is a different story altogether. There are no warnings, or very, very little warning relative to Katrina, in an earthquake. It just happens. Yes, the infrastructure could be better, construction standards could be better, but the earthquake just happened. The aftershocks just happened. There really is no comparison, other than a massive natural disaster happened, and human beings need our help.
I'm damn proud of what I've seen happen here in SFLA. There was just a story on the news about a group that posted a Facebook article exhorting folks to bring supplies to South Beach and put them on a truck. They had a 26' cargo truck parked. To date, they have sent 19 plane loads of relief supplies to Haiti! No government assistance, just folks from SFLA trying to do their part to help fellow humans. That's what it's all about in my opinion.
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I have a difficult time with comparisons between Katrina and Haiti. I've been through New Orleans many times, and the one thing that always struck me about that place is this: so many people did not have to die here. They could have evacuated, and yet they did not. Why? It's not as if the city hasn't known for decades, if not centuries, that a strong hurricane would effectively flood the city. The residents of NO had ample warning, they knew the storm was coming. No doubt the relief effort there was flubbed on an epic scale, but I still go back to the basic premise that so many did not have to die.

Haiti is a different story altogether. There are no warnings, or very, very little warning relative to Katrina, in an earthquake. It just happens. Yes, the infrastructure could be better, construction standards could be better, but the earthquake just happened. The aftershocks just happened. There really is no comparison, other than a massive natural disaster happened, and human beings need our help.
I'm damn proud of what I've seen happen here in SFLA. There was just a story on the news about a group that posted a Facebook article exhorting folks to bring supplies to South Beach and put them on a truck. They had a 26' cargo truck parked. To date, they have sent 19 plane loads of relief supplies to Haiti! No government assistance, just folks from SFLA trying to do their part to help fellow humans. That's what it's all about in my opinion.
And I think you're right on that point, about there not really being much of a comparison between Haiti and Katrina simply for the sheer fact that they were both natural disasters in their own right, and no, the people in Haiti, did not have any warning. However, there have been many useless deaths in Haiti, also. IMO, if the world is going to commit the people, resources etc. to render assistance, and that aid is already ON THE GROUND, then why the heck did it take so long just to get basic food and water in? Doesn't matter, at that point, whether I agree or disagree with the effort, the fact is, if we're going to do it, then let's get it done and done right. Isn't that what everyone else has come to expect of the good 'ole USA, anyway?

Now, just as a side note, as to why more people in New Orleans didn't evacuate, well, the evacuation orders were handled there much the same way they were handled where I live with hurricane Lili, the evacuation order was issued, in both cases, between 11 -12 in the morning, the day before the storm! The mayor of New Orleans did not act in enough time to even think about HOW to get that many people out of harm's way, much less actually DOING it! Sorry, I personally cannot stand the mayor of NOLA, but that's just my .02.....Government = logistics failure. As chithead likes to say, and I find funny, carry on.....

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I'm not defending any politicians but it must be a no win situation in the face of a storm when they are deciding to evacuate. If they wait too long to evacuate and the storm hits, then they screw up. If they evacuate too early and the storm turns, they screwed up and made millions evacuate for nothing. I think it's unfair and if people are told to evacuate because they could die due to flooding, winds, fires, whatever, then they should just deal with it and get the hell out or stay and deal with the consequences on their own.

If the leaders are going to evacuate, then they have to do it early and give everyone a chance to get out and not wait for the last minute like what happened in New Orleans. They must also keep mind how they are going to get people out that have no way to get out.

One of the big problems with Haiti and getting the food and aid in the beginning was that they only had one airport and a small one at that. On top of that, the port got destroyed. Definately not an easy situation.
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the people of Haiti have depended on world travelers for many years, they hardly have any real employment except from tourism
there are no building requirements, mexican adobe homes are better made
their airport tower collapsed, we brought in a tent with radios, that helped, now the russians are bringing in a mobile tower that will be better
the supplies are at the airport & no way to get the goods out to the people
Israelis brought in the first surgical hospital from 1/2 way across the world, we brought in the ship Mercy today .
the USA needs to step up, after we irritated so many countries in the last year & a half, we need to do something, even Canada, the UK, & many other countries have begun to comment on our self righteousness, we need to get better at whatever we decide to do, all those troops that we just sent down there shouldn't be there for crowd control, they should be delivering supplies to the hospitals & people living on the streets
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look at what Katrina did & the Army Corp of Engineers is still sitting on their collective butts. the land owners know better than to rebuild, so renters have to move on
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Haha, lamateo, there is no defense for politicians, lol, there's just no way to defend that offense , but you have an interesting perspective from either having been there yourself, or are just very familiar with the country. The Haitians do seem like a good hardworking people, and heck, us cajuns and those creole practically speak the same language, owing to that is a lot of where the creole cajun culture originates from.

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