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Our brass would have a fit if they found out that we were fixing our own equipment. I guess for insurance purposes.
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Randy, both diving bottles and SCBAs are designed to be filled with grade D breathing air; may sound weird, but that's it's name. It's dew point is at -60*C so the air inside is DRY and wont rust out the bottle or cause bacterial/microbial growth. Some dive shops fill with grade C, which has a dew point of -30*C and is allowed higher impurity levels. The positive air pressure systems that fire/rescues use generally have a 1psi overpressure in the mask to keep out foreign particulates/atmosphere, similar to your M1A1s biological system.

I've used the same Draeger system with the NOVA Panoramic mask, but we don't use the Sentinel system since we all have I/S radios and don't have to have rapid extraction like you guys do. We actually use the Scott SKA-Pak more often when doing entries

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I feel I'm fairly familiar with oilfield diving and such is that, so Cd, here is my silly question for the day, particularly in your line of work which I take it involves a lot of confined space work, do you ever have to use a surface supplied setup or are you always carrying your own air? Just seems that in some of those tight spaces, manhandling that gear would be very cumbersome? Still, cool pics BTW! Hats off to anyone who does that, too claustrophobic for that myself, but any kind of not breathing counts as a worst fear!

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Actually Cajun, in that pic I'm wearing a Scott SKA-PAK which is an SABA with 100' of 1/4" air hose hooked up to a 12 bottle cascade system. We primarily supply SABAs since it's a hell of a lot faster to set up for long term jobs (3-4 hours under air) than to have to keep swaping out SCBA bottles. Not to mention trying to get in/out of a confined space, even with removing the SCBA, is a nightmare, let alone working/maneuvering.

Here's one of our 9,600lb 12 300ft^3 bottle trailers behind my SuperDuty. Holds 36 man-hours of air and we have a bulk trailer that holds 22 300ft^3 4500psi which can fill 4 of these trailers that weights 12,600lbs.
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Nice setup there, but yeah, that makes sense. It was the previous pic that made me ask!

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That's pretty impressive setup! Our Technical Rescue Team has SABA (units) on their TRT truck for confined space work but I doubt its anything like what you are using CD.
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We use the Panther Survivair at the volunteer station and MSA Firehawk 4000 at work, the Firehawk is a "45 minute" tank where the Survivair is "25", I like the Firehawk better, but they are much more expensive than the Survivair, therefore when you're on a tighter budget, you have to get the most for your money.
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Do you guys ever see the actual need for anything more than a halfhour tank my dept. switched to half hour scotts years back before I was on because they found the heavier tank just made you more tired and you were not very useful in an IDLH situation after a halfhour anyway. I guess that makes sense to me but a part of me also thinks that by now the weight of a 45min take is much less than that of the older ones
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We us MSA packs with MSA masks. Can't think of the model off the top of my head. We carry 45 min. cylinders with us and have 60 min. cylinders in our RIT packs. So far haven't really had an issue with the MSA's few improvements could be made but thats with everything in the Fire Dept.
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Do you guys ever see the actual need for anything more than a halfhour tank my dept. switched to half hour scotts years back before I was on because they found the heavier tank just made you more tired and you were not very useful in an IDLH situation after a halfhour anyway. I guess that makes sense to me but a part of me also thinks that by now the weight of a 45min take is much less than that of the older ones
You can get carbon fiber cylinders now that weigh almost nothing. A hp 30 min carbon draeger bottle weighs 13lb, the 60min scott carbon cylinders weigh 25lb. They are a lot better than the aluminum or steel cylinders.

I can't comment on how much firefighters use, but we commonly go through or 45 min bottles on jobs. When you are inside a class-B exposure suit, you want as long as possible before swapping cylinders because it is a royal pita to strip out of one of those suits, hence why we use ska packs so much.
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