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Old 05-09-2010, 07:16 PM
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Assuming the original post was concerning reprogramming a digital odometer to display a different mileage - no, there is absolutely nothing illegal about the act of reprogramming whatsoever (all the people that say it is illegal - find me a single law that says it's illegal, and I'll give you one of my paychecks..I know you won't find it )

What IS illegal however is changing the odometer reading to something other than the true mileage of the vehicle, and then not informing a buyer of the vehicle, or recording it on the title (assuming you live in a state that puts mileage on a title, which as far as I'm aware, is all of the states). That is the fraud side of things. But even then, there isn't a clear definition of what mileage on a vehicle really is...is it how many miles are on the engine? transmission? drivetrain as a whole? body? vehicle as a whole? What happens when you rebuild the entire drivetrain to factory specs? Or 100% restore the vehicle to the way it rolled off the assembly line? Would it then still be a 200,000 mile truck, or a 0 mile truck?

At the end of it all, if you sell a vehicle, just fully disclose what the history is to the best of your knowledge, and you'll be fine. In order to prosecute/sue for fraud, the plaintiff would have to prove that you knowingly and intentionally defrauded them. If you tell them that the cluster was changed out at X miles, or that you changed out the engine or whatever and felt that it warranted resetting the odometer, you'd be fine and no illegal act would have been committed.

All that said, I've had a local speedometer repair shop in Detroit reset the digital clusters for me several times in the past with no problems. But you'll likely find a lot of them, especially a shop that's not local to you, refuse to do it for fear of getting wrapped up in a lawsuit later.
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OK...So I was going after the paycheck !
Unfortunately, Urbex, your safe.

I did find a whole lot of laws/regulations/rules that used words like Fraud, Deception, Accuracy, etc.
Both in Canada and the US it appears 100% legal to replace the broken odometer in your vehicle with a functional one, in fact, it appears to be a requirement. It also appears to be a requirement to either a) have the replacement unit set to the correct vehicle mileage or b) provide documentation to the transport authority with a copy in the vehicle, of the previous odometers reading on removal, and the replacement units reading at time of replacement. In both cases it appears to be necessary to have this work/documentation certified and signed for by said certified authority.

It also appears to be 'Illegal' to operate a licenseable motor vehicle, that came factory equipped with an odometer, with a missing or non-functional unit.

I tried to find a law somewhere that really just spelled it out, but every thing I found was a general law regarding fraud or deception, and used odometer alterations as an example.

If odometer work is required, I would advise that it is done by either a dealership or a certified speedometer shop. That way they should know the rules and provide the correct documentation to ensure legality. If in doubt, contact the local law enforcement and/or transportation authority and ask for the contact information of a certified shop.
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I should have put a disclaimer in there that this only applies to the US, as I have zero clue of the laws in other countries

Also, to add a bit more to this, there are boxes on my Arizona titles (and I remember there being something similar in Michigan) that indicates actual mileage, mileage in excess of odometer mechanical limits (rolled over), or just plain not actual mileage. Both of my Scouts (and I believe my Dodge is the same way), are Box C titles - not actual mileage. The title for my '62 Scout actually lists the mileage as 0000000 miles. Yep, all zeros, and this is perfectly legit/legal, as it's noted on the title that it's not actual mileage.
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I need to have my odometer reset for legal reasons.

I just bought a truck that had a used cluster installed, showing less mileage, to correct a door lock issue. In NC, I'm required to either have the odometer set to match original or reset to zero with a sticker added to the jamb.

In my case, the title work won't be completed until the bank retrieves the title. So I have a few days to figure this out. It has 176K actual miles, but now shows 138K. The cluster was changed last week and I have the original cluster to work with.

Can a module be taken off the back of the original cluster and swapped into the replacement cluster to show original mileage?

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I need to have my odometer reset for legal reasons.

I just bought a truck that had a used cluster installed, showing less mileage, to correct a door lock issue. In NC, I'm required to either have the odometer set to match original or reset to zero with a sticker added to the jamb.

In my case, the title work won't be completed until the bank retrieves the title. So I have a few days to figure this out. It has 176K actual miles, but now shows 138K. The cluster was changed last week and I have the original cluster to work with.

Can a module be taken off the back of the original cluster and swapped into the replacement cluster to show original mileage?

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