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My buddy has a 2010 Ram Big Horn with a Hemi. He called me this morning telling me about his experience that could have killed someone. He was pulling up to a light and his engine went to WOT!!! lucky he was allready on the brakes.. he said it was all he could do to keep it under control. after he finally got it into park and turned off, the electronic throttle control light was flashing..

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I call BS....

You defended toyota saying dodge uses same brand gas pedal a while back. I doubt dodge has had this problem. It would have occured already, and be known before know. His problem was not a stuck accelerrator as he was stopped when it happened.
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I'm not gonna say that your friend's story did or didn't happen like he said it did- I wasn't there, so I don't know... but that's not important anyway.

I do think there has been way too much sensationalizing lately with the whole "sudden acceleration" thing. Once there was a news story saying that several toyota vehicles were having problems with sudden, unexplained acceleration, there were a lot of stories springing up about all kinds of people having issues with "sudden unexplained acceleration" in their vehicles. There were recordings of 911 calls with people screaming that their cars were out of control, going 90, 100, or more mph, and they couldn't stop. One case that I remember hearing ended in a fatal crash, another ended safely with the police using their cruiser to pull in front of a prius and slow it down.

Before I go any further, let me stop and say that I do feel badly for anybody who has been hurt in a crash in any of these situations, as well as the family members of any of those who have been injured or killed. I do not wish injury, death, or even a minor fender bender on anybody, and I do not believe that anybody deserves such a thing.

Now back to the rant. There may or may not be actual problems with some of the vehicles that have been involved- that is still unclear. Toyota put out some sort of gas pedal fix, but from the sounds of it, even they weren't sure if it actually fixed some problem or not. The only problem I've heard diagnosed with some amount of certainty was that the gas pedal wasn't returning to it's original position (i.e. no gas) as quickly as it should.
What I am certain of though, is that there are people out there that once hearing the suggestion that cars were "suddenly accelerating", they assumed that this would be a problem with their car. Such a person, upon noticing something either weird, or just that they hadn't noticed before in their car could get themselves into a panic and end up in a situation like we've been hearing about on the news. Again, not saying that curt4816's friend is one of these people, just that there are definitely people out there who have done this.

If your vehicle does suddenly accelerate unexpectedly, there are very simple things that you can do that WILL bring you to a stop in a relatively safe manner:

1) Continue steering the vehicle so as not to hit anything. Going fast won't hurt you- crashing will.
2) Step on the brakes. Don't go too crazy here- only apply the brakes as much as you need to. That being said, if you're on the brakes, and you're not slowing down, you need to push harder. If you're still not slowing down, push the pedal all the way to the floor (stand up on the pedal if you have to). If there is really a problem, you can't be afraid to be a little rough with your vehicle- none of this sissy-footing the brakes nonsense.
3) Shift the vehicle into neutral. Force it if you have to. If the vehicle is in neutral, it doesn't really matter how fast the engine is turning, or how far down the gas is, now does it?
4) If you've done all of the above, and you're still accelerating, turn the engine off. Whether it's turning the key, or holding the eject (...er... start) button for a few seconds, you should know how to do this before you drive a vehicle anywhere. If your vehicle has a key, and an "ACC" (or accessory) position, try to turn it to that position so that you don't engage the steering wheel lock.

Four simple steps, that anybody should be able to do, and give a VERY high probability of stopping any vehicle. In fact, I'd recommend finding an empty parking lot and actually trying each of these things out at a slow speed. Try shifting from drive into neutral while rolling at about 5mph. Next try turning the car off while rolling at a similarly slow speed. For the brakes, you'll need a little more space- shouldn't need to go more than 30mph to get the picture though. From 30mph or less, stomp on the brakes as hard as you can (once again, make sure you are in an open area with no other cars, people, or obstacles to hit. can't emphasize this enough). If you've actually done these things before, it won't be so scary if you need to do them in an actual emergency.

Automobiles are not play toys. By getting behind the wheel of one, you are responsible for knowing how to operate that vehicle in a safe manner, which includes knowing what to do in an emergency!

Sorry about the long rant- I've just gotten real sick and tired of hearing the sensationalized stories on the news, and I find it particularly depressing that people have been injured or killed because they didn't know their vehicle as well as they should (seriously- this is very basic stuff here)

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Good post Dan, and neither can I dispute curt's story and while I do think there are/were some serious problems with Toyota vehicles, I also know the news media should be up for the Oscar's haha just for over-dramatizing the whole thing, but in our current society, I can also see this Toyota fiasco evolving, or should I say de-volving into an excuse to get some poor schmuck out of legal trouble for knowingly hitting someone and just blaming it on the vehicle.....It wasn't me I swear, I couldn't stop, the car just kept going.......

Although I don't have the guts I don't believe to try the test you described, it does at least offer people a way to take RESPONSIBILITY....

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This thread is an utter waist of bandwidth.........6 exclamation marks at the thread title header and I knew before I ever opened it to call


Phil Gramm got it right......Nation of Whiners. He should have also included "nation of sue happy biatches". The Toyota fiasco is overblown and perpetuated by the American press......and lawyers in general. Toyota has a few issues. CTS manufacturer of accelerator pedal assy, Made in Ohio. The press don't talk about that too much. And keep in mind that the American people are paying for the bailout of GM.............so it is advantageous to dig a grave for one of the top producers of automobiles in the world.

Logic, my 1986 Mazda throttle stuck repeatedly (brand new-first off the train, new body style, in Fort Worth/Charlie Hillard Ford) and what did I do? IMMEDIATELY TURNED OFF THE KEY...... The carb throttle butterfly would stick due to an improperly torqued throttle base plate to manifold causing the carb to be somewhat twisted to the point of throttle plate/butterfly malfunction/sticking..... Ford/Mazda re torqued the base and voila. No stories, no mystery, no lawyers.


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Not to play devil's advocate here or anything, but part of the problem, at least to some who testified before congress, they could not turn their vehicles off.....However, I agree with you about the over-dramatization and litigiousness of the whole thing, hence the above post.

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Every time anyone starts a story with "my buddy" or "my friend" on it, its probably 99% BS... i would be more concerned if it actually happened to you and you where sharing your story

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You defended toyota saying dodge uses same brand gas pedal a while back. I doubt dodge has had this problem. It would have occured already, and be known before know. His problem was not a stuck accelerrator as he was stopped when it happened.
You probably need to go reread that thread because it was not me who provided the information about Toyota and Dodge using the same pedals. And your right, his problem wasnt a stuck accelerator. I said he was coming to a stop at a light. his petal never moved, and doesnt have to for the throttle to be wide open. Hence the "electronically controlled throttle". Now Will, I am aware this is a forum and getting flamed is part of the fun. I am allways a willing participant either way. i hope you at least try to get your facts straight next time.

As for the validity of my story. All I can say is the person who told it to me has no reason to make it up. So, I believe him and see a potential danger for anyone who owns a '09-10 Ram. Thats why I posted. Take it for what its worth. I might also add that Dodge is taking it pretty seriously because they arent saying when his truck will be released back to him.
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You probably need to go reread that thread because it was not me who provided the information about Toyota and Dodge using the same pedals. And your right, his problem wasnt a stuck accelerator. I said he was coming to a stop at a light. his petal never moved, and doesnt have to for the throttle to be wide open. Hence the "electronically controlled throttle". Now Will, I am aware this is a forum and getting flamed is part of the fun. I am allways a willing participant either way. i hope you at least try to get your facts straight next time.

As for the validity of my story. All I can say is the person who told it to me has no reason to make it up. So, I believe him and see a potential danger for anyone who owns a '09-10 Ram. Thats why I posted. Take it for what its worth. I might also add that Dodge is taking it pretty seriously because they arent saying when his truck will be released back to him.
I am not going to get my facts straight, if I was wrong then I am wrong, I don't feel like looking that up, just thought it was you who said that, if not who cares, but you were involved havily in it and YOU did say abotu how it affects american jobs if toyota went down......All I am saying is that it would have been occuring like toyota, and not just now IMO
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