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I thought the Toyota pre runner had skid plates, locking rear, better suspension? A cool sticker on the bed....

Alright, How about MUD! (Although I hate mud and wouldn't take my 4x in it if at all avoidable)
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All of those accessories were options available on any Toyota pickup of that generation, and none of them made it a "prerunner".

Mud is for hillbillies. Drive around it, not through it.

But if you insist:


At the gas station after driving through a mud filled canyon after the 2007 San Diego Wildfires. All of those vehicles are 2WD and made it using speed.
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if you never EVER need to use 4x4 than there is nothing wrong with a 2wd. but if you live up here and need it to get around town many times a year, this first time you NEED 4wd for snow the extra 3000 dollars for 4x4 becomes worth it pretty quick. But I wouldnt call myself a hater, just someone who would never own a 2wd truck
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All of those accessories were options available on any Toyota pickup of that generation, and none of them made it a "prerunner".

Mud is for hillbillies. Drive around it, not through it.

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At the gas station after driving through a mud filled canyon after the 2007 San Diego Wildfires. All of those vehicles are 2WD and made it using speed.
I like going to through mud with various toys, I am not a hillbilly.
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There's haters that dont approve of lowered 4x4's either.

I needed a 4WD for 6 months of icy roads in the Winter, not for off-roading
BTW...you cant even put a front locker in a 1500 4x4 Ram (so... its only a 3WD at best LOL!)
I prefer the handling of a lowered ground force suspension with progressive coils all around. Wider low profile tires for better traction (305/50R20 Terra Grapplers)




in the summer I drop it even further by mounting up 4 dedicated Drag Radials on light weight 17's on weekends and hangin with (and even beating) SRT8's at the local track



I've had my share of lifted rigs in my day,
Real 4x4's with 37" tall Bias Ply Super Swampers, Re-Geared with Lockers Front and Rear, Winches etc...



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rarely just for looks, but somehow I usually achieve both.

Those that dont like it can build their own, I dont care
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if you never EVER need to use 4x4 than there is nothing wrong with a 2wd. but if you live up here and need it to get around town many times a year, this first time you NEED 4wd for snow the extra 3000 dollars for 4x4 becomes worth it pretty quick. But I wouldnt call myself a hater, just someone who would never own a 2wd truck
Light FWD vehicles are far superior to 4xfail trucks in the snow. That's what most 4x4 vehicles are anyways, 2 wheel drive, some are lucky though and are 2.75 wheel drive. Without a pair of lockers a 4wd vehicle is 2WD.
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When my truck was stuck in the sand, all four wheels were turning. Just those sissya$$ stock tires wouldn't bite
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^^^ 2500's have a solid front axle, and can add lockers to both diffs
1500's can never install a locker up front, alum housing IFS is too weak for the added torque.

...the only "real" Dodge Ram 4x4's are the HD's,
and the most well equipped (factory optioned) are the Powerwagons.
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I put the cummins turbo diesel badging on my 3.6L V6 Ram and I think it looks cool.
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Light FWD vehicles are far superior to 4xfail trucks in the snow. That's what most 4x4 vehicles are anyways, 2 wheel drive, some are lucky though and are 2.75 wheel drive. Without a pair of lockers a 4wd vehicle is 2WD.
I disagree. The only advantage FWD has over traditional RWD is a larger percentage of weight over the drive wheels. The auto industry has made us believe FWD is superior because it helps with marketing a product designed to maximize interior space while minimizing overall size.

In FWD, your drive wheels are also being asked to handle steering while under power. Lose traction and you lose steering as well. While the same can be said for 4wd, you have the advantage of a second set of driving wheels to push you past the point where you lost traction on the front, it also is more inclined to push you straight instead of straight into the ditch. Very rarely do the front and rear wheels encounter the same lose of traction at the same time unless on ice. None of this would be important if all the roads were flat, but they are not. You have several different factors to consider when in the snow belt - hills (both up and down) as well as crowned roads. On a crowned road, the slipping wheels are going to tend to follow the crown downhill and to the shoulder (if you are lucky to have one) or the ditch. In RWD, that is the rear wheels, the fronts (if have traction) should continue to track forward. If this happens on FWD, your front end will slide towards the outside faster than the rear, requiring more steering input and an attempt to drive out of it, most likely causing more wheel spin and starting the cycle all over again. Going uphill, any weight-over-drive-wheels advantage is lost as the weight bias shifts to the rear, unloading the front wheels. When those front wheels start spinning going UP a hill, the car tries to swap ends. I lived on a 24% grade in northern NH for 22 years. The window next to the kitchen table overlooks the road. We would place bets on what cars would not make it up the road in a snow storm. 90% of the time, those were the FWD cars and 100% of those FWD cars were Subarus, I suspect having a lot to do with their low CG.

All this being said, the best pieces of equipment for handling snow are PROPER tires and an intellegent, calm steering-wheel-to-driver's-seat interface. I've gone more places with my old VW Beetle than most...it just takes a different driving style.
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