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My Ram and its stock computer system.

This may seem a bit, out there.

I need to know the nature of the black box ( if we have one) in our trucks. Do They come with GPS built in? I dont want GPS. I also plan to reduce the computer use for the engine as much as I can. I have done zero research this is just a first shot to see if the information is already here. I will have a independent computer ( laptop) set up and independent audio and video..without GPS. Any black boxes / recorders of my driving actions before or after accidents will be removed.

I will also disconnect the airbags. When you take a truck off road they tend to be a pain.

If I cant find the information on this board, where can I??

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What "black box" are you referring to? The truck has several modules including but not limited to the ECM, TCM, ABS, ORC, etc. There's no GPS built into any of them and there are no "data recorders" so feel free to crash your truck without fear of anyone knowing what happened!
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I know that Chevy was one of the first to have a black box in the vette that recorded information about the car as it drove. They also put a tracking system through the on star.

My concern is more reducing computers and other excessive modules that will not do well under rough conditions...like water. Anything integrated will maybe interfere or crash the computer they are attached to??? Or in the case of the airbag...pow to the face.

I have alot of water experience and this truck will get wet from time to time.

One of the reasons I picked this truck was or the engines ability to be taken back in time. lol

Even my main winch will be a hydraulic format.

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Not a 2004 3500, but my 2010 1500 does...

"Event Data Recorder (EDR)
In the event of a collision, your vehicle is designed to
record up to five seconds of specific vehicle data parameters
(see list below) in an event data recorder prior to the
moment of airbag deployment, or near deployment (if
applicable), and up to a quarter second of either highspeed
deceleration data or change in velocity during
and/or after airbag deployment or near-deployment.
EDR data is ONLY recorded if an airbag deploys, or
nearly deploys, and is otherwise unavailable.
NOTE:
1. A near-deployment event occurs when the airbag
sensor detects severe vehicle deceleration usually indicative
of a crash, but not severe enough to warrant airbag
deployment.
2. Under certain circumstances, EDR data may not be
recorded (e.g., loss of battery power).
In conjunction with other data gathered during a complete
accident investigation, the electronic data may be
used by Chrysler Group LLC and others to learn more
about the possible causes of crashes and associated
injuries in order to assess and improve vehicle performance.
In addition to crash investigations initiated by
Chrysler Group LLC, such investigations may be requested
by customers, insurance carriers, government
officials, and professional crash researchers, such as those
associated with universities, and with hospital and insurance
organizations.
In the event that an investigation is undertaken by
Chrysler Group LLC (regardless of initiative), the company
or its designated representative will first obtain
permission of the appropriate custodial entity for the
vehicle (usually the vehicle owner or lessee) before
accessing the electronic data stored, unless ordered to
image the data by a court with legal jurisdiction (i.e.,
pursuant to a warrant). A copy of the data will be
provided to the custodial entity upon request. General
data that does not identify particular vehicles or crashes
may be released for incorporation in aggregate crash
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and various states. Data of a potentially sensitive
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or crash, will be treated confidentially. Confidential
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1. Used for research purposes, such as to match data
with a particular crash record in an aggregate database,
provided confidentiality of personal data is thereafter
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2. Used in defense of litigation involving a Chrysler
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3. Requested by police under a legal warrant.
4. Otherwise required by law.
Data parameters that are recorded:
Diagnostic trouble code(s) and warning light status for
electronically-controlled safety systems, including the
airbag system
Vehicle speed
Engine RPM
Brake switch status
Pedal position
And other parameters depending on vehicle
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Thanks for the EDR info, very informative.

Even once you have paid in full for your truck or car and there is no lien on the "vehicle" its not actually your's. When you register a car or truck you are giving away ownership for stewardship. Any company with permission from the state or province you have registered with can do whatever they like to whatever you "drive".

My concern is not the evil government or aliens. Aliens dont exist. lol I made a funny.
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Thanks for the EDR info, very informative.

Even once you have paid in full for your truck or car and there is no lien on the "vehicle" its not actually your's. When you register a car or truck you are giving away ownership for stewardship. Any company with permission from the state or province you have registered with can do whatever they like to whatever you "drive".

My concern is not the evil government or aliens. Aliens dont exist. lol I made a funny.
When I first read the info out of the manual, I actually felt physically sick.
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I'm a good guy so I dont have anything to hide...But it is not in the best interest of the people who like to keep their right to privacy. Gm had the option to have it removed if you requested it be removed. I am sure a dodge dealership could remove it for a reasonable price.

Feels a little like a communist act to be have a black box tracking my every action. I wonder why car companies are not advertising this great option. GM did it with onstar, Talk about no privacy. I can leave my cellphone at home but I couldn't leave my onstar behind. Brings a whole new meaning to backseat love making. " Hi onstar here, we noticed your vehicle was rocking. Everything ok?" creeepy

Call dodge I am sure they will take out that pesky black box for ya. At least you dont have to deal with onstar.
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