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Old 10-31-2010, 11:13 AM
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I am doing a compete interior make over on my '05 Ram. I am going to be (almost) completely gutting it. I'm installing new audio, Katzkins, and lambo doors. I was also starting to think about a security system. Since I am doing a big project anyway, I thought, what's one more thing on the list. I would like to self install for two reasons.

First, while we are doing a lot to the truck, our funds are not limitless. Most places I have contacted are selling the alarms for MSRP plus installation. So for example....one offers a Clifford for $499 plus installation when I have found sites where I can get the alarm kit for just $200. That's quite a savings.

Second, I'm going to have the truck pulled apart. It seems like a good time to be able to hide components well without an installer needing to rip everything apart again after I'm done.

Every forum, everywhere, has post after post from people saying you must use an installer. Why? How different is it than any other electrical work? Any input into why I should not do it myself? If you are adamant about using an installer, anyone know any good and experienced installers of decent units in the Dallas area?
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Let me ask you a question. Are you planning to install the security system for the alarm? If so, when was the last time you saw anyone actually pay attention to a car alarm going off? If you get one with a pager, what are you going to do if you get the page?

In other words, what do you expect to gain by spending the extra $$$ that you could put toward something else or save?
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I think the only reason they say to use an installer is so your covered under warranty incase something fails. Otherwise if you know how to do it, go for it..
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Does the Clifford system cut off the fuel? or disable the starter?

I know it a very good brand
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Does the Clifford system cut off the fuel? or disable the starter?

I know it a very good brand
If it does that, it would be worth spending the money for and installing.
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I would want the alarm part to hopefully encourage the hoodlums passing by to go try an easier target.

I want the starter kill for the amateurs.

I want the Car Finder for the pros(though I'm sure they can work around that too).

Here's some of the things you find in the Clifford 50.7X.

One Mile Range with SST
New, slim 5-button SST 1-Way companion remote control
New Priority™ 5-button user interface with easy 2-car operation
Control Center™ with integrated Status LED and Valet Switch
Virtual Tach™ RPM sensing
D2D serial data interface for Xpresskit D2D serial data interface modules
XpressPort dock for Xpresskit docking serial date interface modules
Onboard Flex Relays for remote start and light flash
Manual Transmission Mode
Car Finder
Advanced remote start functions: Timer Start, Smart Start, RunTime Reset, and more
Fail-Safe Starter Kill
Revenger Soft-Chirp Six-Tone Neo Siren
Onboard Stinger Double-Guard remote-adjustable shock sensor
Warn-Away – low-volume, brief warning signal for potential threats
Inputs for doors, hood and trunk monitoring
Progressive Door Trigger
FACT II – patented False Alarm Control and Test
Silent Mode alarming and disarming
Ports for optional tilt, glass break, cabin and proximity sensors
Keyless entry with optional progressive driver's unlocking and ignition-controlled locking
Trunk Release plus 3 AUX outputs

I have seen it as low as $200 on the internet. Since I originally posted this, I did a little more research. Apparently I can buy the alarm from Amazon for $208 and they have something called an InstallerCard for $199 to have someone local install it. $200 for install might be worth it. I was getting prices around $700 for complete install before.

Thanks again for the responses. I may still do it myself but It's nice to know there are options.
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That's an impressive looking system. As for the install, I'd get it and read through the instructions. If you're comfortable with doing it yourself, save the cost of the install. If it requires splicing and stuff like that, I'd probably leave it for the pro's.
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I got an estimate of $650 for parts and labor from Cartoys...the amazon $200 parts and $200 installcard seems pretty attractive.

I would feel better if I knew which stores participate in the install network but it appears they hold that info back until you have purchased, much like priceline does with hotels. I would like to know if it is a stand-up installer with a good rep or some unknown place that may hack things up pretty good.

Does anyone have any experience with installercard? And does anyone know if Clifford will honor the warranty from Amazon? Cartoys said they wouldn't (of course) but will call Clifford tomorrow...I'll post up what I find.
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Anything bought at ~$200 will not have the factory warranty, but the store will probably have their own warranty. Woofersetc.com has a 1 year warranty that they provide.

I would think if it is going to fail it would fail within the first yr. And since the cost is $200 instead of $450 you could buy another module, use existing wiring, and be good to go (assuming the module is what failed, not the wiring).

Best Buy sells the Viper 5901 installed for $499, which is $100 more than the installercard and Clifford unit off of amazon (think the Clifford and Viper are roughly the same system with different brand names)...might be worth $100 extra for having the unit and install work warrantied and having one neck to choke - as opposed to hardware and install bought from separate dealers and each blaming the other for any issues.

I don't feel very comfortable with best buy doing the install work...maybe it is just a misconception, but I would expect employee turnover to be higher at somewhere like best buy and someone with little experience installing it and hacking things up. But Best Buy usually stands behind things pretty well and should have no issue making things right if something goes wrong.

With the FOBIK I think a bypass is needed for the remote start, and Car Toys said that is ~$100-$120, and each accessory like shock sensor, proximity, tilt, backup horn or battery would run ~$75 installed. Most of those accessories can be purchased for $25-$30 each off Amazon.

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